ORDERED YANMAR TODAY!!!

[piddling]

This rhetoric reminds me of the garden tractor web site I got interested in after I purchased a new lawnmower 3 years ago.

My mistake there was buying a Craftsman mower when any idiot knows only a John Deere can be seen in your yard without making the neighbors laugh at your poor judgment. The ridicule I've endured on that web site for purchasing a Sears product is monumental.

Same thing on this board. I'm so ashamed of my newly-purchased Vietnam Yanmar that I keep it down in the cattle loafing shed, out of sight. Only mow at night when passers-by can't tell what it is.

I think I'll trade it for a Ford 8N (probably have to pay some boot) but I'll get an American product that a foreigner has never touched. One that has never been double stacked in a shipping container, one that has been properly maintained (absolutely no "hand-made" parts) by an American farmer who religiously followed the maintenance schedule. No baling wire repairs for me! Oh, yeah - absolutely no new paint! That's a sure tip-off that somebody has used the paint as a smokescreen to cover up major defects. My "new" Ford will need to be beat all to **** and rusty. That way I'll know for sure that the hoses, generator, water pump, engine, transmission and bearings are all good - and I can start mowing again in daylight. Weather- beaten farmers driving by will nod to themselves in approval as they observe the wheezing old war horse in action. I will once again be able to hold my head up in public. Babies will cease to cry when I approach and the banker will greet me by my first name.

Right now I've got to go. The Craftsman is about to get its first new part - a mower deck belt. Had a feeling I shouldn't have bought that thing.

Shoot, without all the informed and considered information available on the internet I’d probably still be mowing in daylight with the Yanmar and the Craftsman, much to the hilarious delight of my wise old neighbors - both digital and geographic.

 

[BruceR]

Oh come on now. We're all famiily here. No need to hide your Yannie, Pid. Park it out front and make those folks with orange tractors green with envy

I would never kick dirt on anyone owning a recon. What makes me see red, pardon the pun, is some slick website or a salesman pushing them as being "factory reconditioned" and having every moving part replaced.---- Speaking in general here, no names mentioned, no fingers pointed, polically correct.

Mine is a second cousin to recon's -- I bought from a "roadside vendor".
This place cracks me up sometimes. Reminds me of all those heated Ford _vs_ Chevy debates I suffered through at family gatherings as a kid. Made me decide to drive a Dodge.

Bruce

 

[Eddie]

I don't hide mine. I'm very proud to show my neighbor I have a tractor equivalent to his JD at a fraction the price. When they are running side by side the engines sound just alike. Wonder why???

 

[Travis_R]

I don't hide my Yanmar either.......Its too tuff to hide!.........It don't matter to me anymore what people says about recons...........I am happy with mine and thats all that matters...............But like people say, "there's a smart a*s in every crowd!"

 

[Eddie]

"there's a smart a*s in every crowd!"

Now that was uncalled for

 

[ChuckT]

Now that was uncalled for

Maybe, maybe not.

There's a good reason to ignore the venom that some posts contain - perhaps those writers just can't appreciate the image that their prose evokes.

But a good raspberry is worth something too.

cvt

 

[Travis_R]

Eddie,

I wasn't refering to you........... please go back and read.

 

[Tractors4u]

Shoot, without all the informed and considered information available on the internet I’d probably still be mowing in daylight with the Yanmar and the Craftsman, much to the hilarious delight of my wise old neighbors - both digital and geographic.

The pro recon folks are just as bad as they think the anti recon are. This topic had died down, yes it had died down and then Travis_R felt the need to inform us that his tractor was still running. No one felt the need to bash his running Vietnamese reconditioned tractor but Piddling felt the need to jump in and stir things up a bit. Mr Piddling has a viet recon and obviously he feels as though his toes have been stepped on. To Travis_R and Piddling, don't take things so personal. I have seen this bitterness in the Chinese, Kioti, Deere, Mahindra, Kubota forum too. Somebody buys something, somebody makes a comment about it and then feelings are hurt. Here is the part that makes this different. Travis_R came to this forum and asked about Yanmars. He was warned about recons and bought one anyway. Then he had problems. He still will not acknowledge that maybe recons are not all they are cracked up to be. He seems to thrive on attention. In the last three weeks he has flip flopped between selling his Yanmar, not selling it and his Mahindra, to buying a bigger Yanmar or Chinese tractor. Mr. Piddling, well I don't know what his issue is other than this conspiracy theory he has about viet recon bashers being on the payroll of some non recon dealer.

 

[California]

Brent, this follows your post by chance but it isn't intended for you.

I come here for information but recently it seems that this forum, and a couple others, read more like soap opera. Much drama surrounding a vacuum of information.

I finally am trying out the twit filter provided in this new TBN software. (user profile/ignore user). Hopefully TBN will at least appear more calm and reasonable. I don't think I'll miss anything valuable.

 

[piddling]

I got into this thread because I was saddened when a new owner proudly announces his purchase and is promptly hit with "I told you so" posts.

I felt even worse for the company that sold the tractor and was held up to such public scrutiny as they attempted to deal with this "major" problem, all the while no doubt worrying about their perceived public image and how it will be affected by (what?) - a plugged radiator that proved tough to pin down. This is one sale I'll bet they wish they had missed as every future hiccup that YM2000 makes will be reported here and the finger pointing will be aimed at them - rightly or wrongly.

I think it would be only fair, but not especially conclusive, if someone who recently purchased (or plans to purchase) an American recon YM2000 from an unsuspecting dealer do the same - report every detail from friendliness of the sales staff to how well the tractor holds up and the manner in which any problems were resolved. Will the Vietnam tractor shuck its transmission before the carefully checked out American recon? Whose hydraulics will play out first? Has your radiator still got rice paddy water in it or have you discovered your connecting rods are pieced together with welds?

Maybe then we could all get a feel for something other than cartridges as we participate in this circular firing squad.

Piddling
pot metal member

 

[mark777]

Piddling,

Regardless of where someone's tractor came from, isn't it better to be informed about ones choices? It's hardly ever about the tractor but more about the dealer, his price, support, availability of parts and knowledge. Somehow I'm inclined to believe you spent sufficient time discussing your choices, needs and options with the dealer you selected from....many don't.

There are allot of people that are predisposed to believe that tractors reconditioned in Vietnam fall well short of the claims dealers and importers make. Most are pieced together, painted and exported capitalizing on the brands name, reliability and company's history. Not too long ago (2 years maybe?) there were countless new owners agonizing over continuous problems and several with catastrophic failures....no dealers, support or recourse, but some found their way here. And other than a few isolated incidents where a person used this forum as a podium to spout how badly they we shafted, all others either fixed their Yanmars with help from TBN members...or they dumped them at auction..etc.

I'm sure someone can find and post a link where a member generalized the term "I Told You So" but I'm confident that the vast majority of posts either warn perspective buyers to be very thorough in their selection from the tractor, dealer and opinions on used vs. reconditioned. Concerning help, I have seen no bias or distinction from forum members who convey their suggestions for an owner (or new owner) experiencing trouble.

Mark

 

[arthr31]

Concerning help, I have seen no bias or distinction from forum members who convey their suggestions for an owner (or new owner) experiencing trouble.

Mark

Mark's right, I've received a lot of help on both my american and asian yanmars, and it never mattered which or where it was from. for that, I've very grateful for this forum...

perhaps we should close this thread at this point? What's been said has been said, and many times...

 

[LMTC]

I don't recall any one ever saying every vn recon is junk. Sheer odds say some would be good. I sincerely hope your tractor serves you long and well....I've said so to you. Even if it is only 1 in 20 that has a catastrophic failure, whatever it is is way higher than with those brought in directly by most importers. May have nothing to do with the fact that they go to viet nam or anywhere else. Has to do with being junk at the start of the process.

What is getting lost in this "will it hold up or will it fall apart" dialogue is the very documentable fact that many of the "dealers" selling the vn recons misrepresent the hours....most of us know about the reset hour meters now, so it's hard for them to claim these as new tractors any more, but many still claim 0 hours, or 2 or 3 hours on the tractor, and by every standard used in this country for machinery, that is wrong....AND the blatant, consistent, persistent "misrepresentation" of the year of manufacture.

HERE is a link to a search on tractorhouse.com for zennoh and yanmar. Look at the claimed years for the tractors, look at the tractors (many claiming 0 to 5 hours) to recognize the recons in most cases, and if in doubt, call the seller....they are selling vn recons. 1989 YM 1401D? 1984 YM 1500? 1990 YM 1601? 1990 YM 2000? I don't think so. They have a tendency to make many tractors "1980" models, because they get them into a more recent decade by adding just a year or so. Even the company you so worry about is advertising a 1980 YM1500 and not long ago was advertising a 1983 YM1700. That last ad is now gone, but I saved it. That is just plain wrong and all it takes to know better is to check in Japan.

WHY....I repeat, WHY, if they are selling a credible, durable product is there this overwhelming tendency to misrepresent the hours and the years of manufacture? Speaking in general, would you buy from a seller who would either knowingly misrepresent these things or be so ignorant as to not know their own product? For me, that deceptiveness has always shaded that portion of the market, and tells me enough to know I want nothing to do with it. Then of course there are all the calls and emails none of you see.

 

[buppy69]

Well said, Wayne. I have seen 2 recons this week. One was a Yanmar with Mitsubishi decals on it. The other was a mid 80's Hinomoto with a late 70's hood and grille.

Eugene

 

[Travis_R]

Well said, Wayne. I have seen 2 recons this week. One was a Yanmar with Mitsubishi decals on it. The other was a mid 80's Hinomoto with a late 70's hood and grille.

Eugene

Yes, well said LMTC.

buppy69,

THOSE are the tractors that I would not mess with........I KNOW what to look for in tractors.............But the people that don't.....well.......thats where they end up "gettin the shaft."..........Thats why we need to choose a good dealer to buy from.


I'm gonna say something that I don't think I've said before..................................I WOULD NOT buy from any other place/dealer/distributor/whatever, of Vietnam reconditioned tactors OTHER THAN RCO Tractor BECAUSE they are confident enough in their product to back it 110%.......I think that the majority of the rest of the Vietnam tractors being sold are junk.

There ARE a LOT of bad dealers out there with junk tractors just to make a quick buck..........And THEY are the ones that causes all the TROUBLE for the "gray market" tractor business (here on TBN for example). As you know, those are the ones that you stay away from.

Travis R

 

[YanmarFever]

Mark's right, I've received a lot of help on both my american and asian yanmars, and it never mattered which or where it was from. for that, I've very grateful for this forum...

perhaps we should close this thread at this point? What's been said has been said, and many times...

I dont think this thread should be closed at all until all partys have had their say on the subject
I had a vietnamese dealer open shop near us in Portland Oregon. I say vietnamese because he was from vietnam along with their tractors. They were telling all their customers that parts were no problem at all, just call Ernie's Imports he can fix your machines & sell you all the parts you ever need. They did not want to work on tractors at all, they just wanted to sell them with 3 hours on the meters and a paint job. Again deception to gain sales.
Our phones were ringing for months for parts, finally we figured out what was goin down & refused to sell parts to ANY of their customers, How would you of handled this ?
Are you beginning to see why the responsible dealers dont want to support the vietnam reconditioned lie.
I could go on.....
Ernie

 

[California]

...Our phones were ringing for months for parts, finally we figured out what was goin down & refused to sell parts to ANY of their customers, How would you of handled this?

I don't see the logic in turning away customers.

I can see you might have to charge them enough to cover the education you need to provide along with the parts, and that they they should have received from the importer. (who is a merchant, not a tractor dealer).

But I guess I would see this as an opportunity to expand good-markup parts sales. What am I missing here?

It looks to me that Hoye just sits there quietly and sells parts as fast as they can take the orders. What's wrong with doing the same thing for your region?

 

[Tom_Veatch]

Ernie, at first blush, I tend to agree with California. Now if the VINA dealer/merchant's customers were/are giving you grief about needing parts/repairs/etc. on such "low time" tractors, that's an entirely different story.

 

[YanmarFever]

I don't see the logic in turning away customers.

I can see you might have to charge them enough to cover the education you need to provide along with the parts, and that they they should have received from the importer. (who is a merchant, not a tractor dealer).

But I guess I would see this as an opportunity to expand good-markup parts sales. What am I missing here?

It looks to me that Hoye just sits there quietly and sells parts as fast as they can take the orders. What's wrong with doing the same thing for your region?

Heres the problem, I would sell them parts that half the time did not fit the machine they were asking for, because those tractors were assembled from other parts tractors, or the parts were hand made & new holes drilled or welded on,

I finally got tired of refunds and feeling like I was doing something wrong so we closed that door,needless to say that dealer is no longer in business.
Ernie's Imports is in the business of selling parts to our tractor customers and others on tractorbynet not to keep our deceptive competitors in line at the bank
The last I heard Aaron at Hoye sells parts, we sell tractors and parts to our customers anyone else we refer them to Hoye. In fact all of our tractors have Hoyes decal with phone# on them so the customer can shop around if they like.

 

[California]

Heres the problem, I would sell them parts that half the time did not fit the machine they were asking for, because those tractors were assembled from other parts tractors, or the parts were hand made

Ok, I can see how diferent people have different tolerances for bs and it's certainly a reasonable decision to just quit supporting that nonsense.

Me, I think I would just keep raising prices for the specialty work needed to get those tractors back to normal. And have a real high restock fee, maybe 50%. I think this approach would eventually bury that bogus importer as word gets around that his tractors are real expensive to get right.

But you're the one who actually had to deal with this, not us theorists.