Overheard conversation!!!!

   / Overheard conversation!!!! #61  
It's not always a bad idea to buy a house with a mortgage. Considering that a good mutual fund can return 25% per year and interest on a house is only 3-5%, you're losing money by buying with cash. And considering that if you have your money in a fund you can get at if a real emergency arrises. Just be careful not to get stung in the next downturn, and that is not too hard to avoid.

There are a number of ways to make money besides not spending it. Spending a little can sometimes make you a lot.

I get a lot of pleasure from knowing there is no bank involved in owning my home. Of course, ownership only means the County won't take it away from you as long as you keep paying your taxes. So who really owns it? Not much different than a mortgage.


please provide the names of the mutual funds that are averaging 25%, i have had funds, none average 25%, although i agree it prolly would have been better to drop it in the stock market at the time, i didn't really want to do that, not to mention closing costs were much higher with a mortgage, several other things were higher then buying out right.

eh is what it is. all the money i don't pay into a mortgage now goes into the stocks anyway, so how much i would have made would be a bit harder to figure out, and my mortgage at the time i think was 2.7% if i wanted to be honest. it was a good time to borrow money
 
   / Overheard conversation!!!! #65  
From what I've observed the majority of TBN'ers tend to be prudent with financial investments and feel more comfortable with mutual funds over individual securities...and for good reason for the most part...
Like the old adage: How do you make a small fortune in the stock market?...start with a large fortune...! outsiders and common peoples get the crumbs...

BUT...IMO...The securities (stock) markets is the best legal casino in the world...And if you've got a few bucks you can afford to lose you can also hit the jackpot with a whole lot better odds than any lottery or lottery type game...

It really only takes a few bucks to set up an online brokerage account...many do not even require a minimum balance...if you have MFs' through a financial house (brokerage) many will set up cash accounts at no charge and charge less than $10/trade for online transactions...which offer the full spectrum of market and stop orders etc...

The stock market is a casino where anyone can change the odds in their favor...all it takes is some cognitive research and a game sense of risk...to me it's much more fun than other gambling vices (other than the greyhound track)...and you can set your own limits...
 
   / Overheard conversation!!!! #66  
all the money i don't pay into a mortgage now goes into the stocks anyway, time to borrow money


Just be ready to turn it into cash and sit on it when the market starts back down. Or at the very least, don't sell too late and lock in your losses.
 
   / Overheard conversation!!!! #67  
<snip>We are still young, but I refuse to open a credit card. She finally talked me into it and I set a limit to where I can pay it off in one pay check if something happens. Finally getting it through to her that a great credit score just means you are good at being in debt.
Nope

PJ - a great credit score does NOT necessarily mean you are good at being in debt. I have ABSOLUTELY no debt and my credit card score is well over 820. A good credit score means you are good at managing money.
Yup

i have to agree. thinking a credit card is a bad thing is foolish. i had a credit card since i was 18, never had a balance, never paid 1 dime in interest. and i have raked in over prolly 5k in cash rewards since i got them (all i use are credit cards which have rewards attached).
<snip>
Good example of "taking advantage of the system ethically".

It's not always a bad idea to buy a house with a mortgage.<snip>
Yup
And what are your options? Renting at $2K/month versus a $2K mortgage? You've got to have somewhere to live.

Another thing I see people criticizing is borrowing money to buy a car/truck.

Right now I can borrow for a car at $1.99% from Commonwealth One FCU and INVEST in a certificate at 2.75% at Navy Federal FCU. And if I borrow that money I would have sunk into the vehicle is available to take advantage of MAJOR bargains.

Example - I financed our $27K VW Jetta in 2008 at about 1.25%. About the same time a house in Fulton, MS came up on the foreclosure sales for $25K, looking for a quick sale. We plunked the $$$ down, didn't even try to take out a loan. Sometime you need liquid assets.
I just looked, Zillow values it at $95K, the County taxes us at about $50K.
 
   / Overheard conversation!!!! #68  
Very few people are good at timing the market. Very few. They sell too late, locking in their losses, and they buy back in too late, missing the gains. Dollar cost averaging in proven mutual funds over the long haul seems to be the most prudent route for the average investor.
 
   / Overheard conversation!!!! #69  
please provide the names of the mutual funds that are averaging 25%, i have had funds, none average 25%, although i agree it prolly would have been better to drop it in the stock market at the time, i didn't really want to do that, not to mention closing costs were much higher with a mortgage, several other things were higher then buying out right.

eh is what it is. all the money i don't pay into a mortgage now goes into the stocks anyway, so how much i would have made would be a bit harder to figure out, and my mortgage at the time i think was 2.7% if i wanted to be honest. it was a good time to borrow money



Register and log on to the Fidelity Financial website. I think you can do that without purchasing anything. Once there you can shop for funds and make up your own mind what to buy. I never have and never will buy single issue stocks. Too much risk. And when I invest in a new mutual fund I go thru the companies they are invested in and make sure I am not investing in two funds that buy the same stocks. I never invest in funds that have transaction fees. Well,......maybe a really good one every now and then.

I have moved my wife's and my teacher daughter's 401K money into Fidelity Contra (50% of investment in each) which made 32.25% last year and Fidelity Growth Company which made 36.76% for the past twelve months. Both of those funds have averaged 12% earnings SINCE 1986 INCLUDING SEVERAL DOWNTURNS. That is over thirty years thru several severe downturns.

I just moved some of my money into Fidelity's China Region Fund which paid nearly 52% for the past twelve months. I could kick myself for not getting in that one last year. There is one Quantified Investor Class fund offered that paid more than 68% last year. I am scared of that one. If you don't mind paying transaction fees there is a Morgan Stanley Fund that paid more than 78%. I am terrified of that one, looks like it is investing in startups and risky companies in SE Asia. I am brave, not stupid.

These are high risk but high yield large cap growth funds. They can make you a LOT of money, and they can loose money. My top fund since 2013 has been a Biotech Fund that paid more than 30% a year for three years. Then it lost money for a year or so. One that I got in because my advisor strongly suggested was a Yachtman Fund that made about 1% for three years. I really wanted out but she kept telling me it was great to have during a downturn. Then for one year it was my highest earner.

Mr. Trump is making me a lot of money. Well, he has made me a lot of money if things hold up and the Dems don't manage to sabotage the economy to bring him down.

I have tried to tell people on here and in person, DON'T give your money to a local yokel investor. They will take your money and put it in mutual funds and take a cut for themselves for "managing" your money. That money is your future and your retirement. Learn a little and take care of it yourself. Don't go wild and you will have more money to invest. The more you have the more you earn and the more you can take out without cutting into your investment's earnings.

People get concerned about the cost of things and concern themselves with trivial matters while ignoring the things that can affect them and their retirement the most. If you invest wisely you can have several hundred thousand dollars in investments. And the general idea is that you can take out around $1000 each month for every $100,000 invested with your portfolio slowly growing. When the markets start giving trouble you have to adjust what you take as income. I have cut mine more than half before. Just tighten your belt for a while because THE MARKET ALWAYS COMES BACK. If it doesn't your money is worthless anyway.

We have things we need to do, things we need/want to buy, vacations we want to take. We are putting things off because we are making too much on each dollar invested. Because the way the market is going right now every dollar I take out will cost me an extra $0.30 lost at the end of the year.

RSKY
 
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   / Overheard conversation!!!! #70  
On yeah, I forgot to add this. There are more than 3700 'no transaction fees' funds offered for my IRA. And nearly 11,000 if you don't mind the fees.

Other than a friendly one hour chat with my advisor every three or four months all my transactions are done online. Two weeks ago I finished my 'every six months review and rebalance' moving money to funds that were doing well and out of funds that were lagging. I spend three or four hours a day on this for about three days. Then I go back and check up on the sell and buy orders I have made over the next week or so. So I spend about two or three hours a month taking care of my investments. This doesn't count the times I glance at it to see how it is doing.

RSKY
 

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