.... And, that's here ! Imagine what is going on at battery plants in PRC....
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Submerged, and still burning violently...... Nothing to See Here.... Back to Regular GreenWashing......
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Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.
Look up Hydrofluoric acid.
Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS
What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?
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Good points. HF is NASTY stuff.Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.
Look up Hydrofluoric acid.
Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS
What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?
Before these vehicles arrive @ work, I'll be pushing for full SCBA gear. Not sure I'll stick around if we don't get it. Not trying to become a firefighter (we already have a retired one on staff), given how fast Li goes up, SCBA is needed just to evacuate a building, or when you are slowed-down getting an injured person out of danger.
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Burning under water is quite impressive. Scary when the rules of firefighting change.
Esp. considering that many people struggle/fail when dealing with a "regular" fire....
I remember a teacher (Accounting ? it was a long time ago, and not a class I was in...) in HS getting bad burns to his arms. Grease fire in his kitchen @ home, and didn't smother it..... something like he was trying to pour it down the sink....
That's the kicker with Li, there's little/nothing even the Pros can do with it, you just have to let it burn and protect (if you can) the surrounding area.
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No amount of water puts it out. It has to burn out of fuel. Doesn't need oxygen and the burning lithium creates a metal fire at temperatures of 2,000 degrees Celsius/3632 degrees Fahrenheit. Attempting to douse the fire with water is inadvisable since this could lead to a hydrogen gas explosion!
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I'm not suggesting that you inhale the fumes, but I do think that a little perspective is warranted.
I think that we are all very accustomed to hydrocarbon fuels, and have become perhaps so familiar with them to the point where people get injured doing stupid things like refueling running equipment or putting gasoline on a fire, because we don't think of the risks.
I think that regardless of whether a vehicle has an internal combustion engine or a battery, both typically have at least enough energy to move the vehicle several hundred miles. That is a lot of energy.
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Yes, HF is bad, but you don't get significant amounts from thermal decomposition, but please correct me if I am wrong. If you have a source for significant amounts of HF being produced in a lithium (ion) battery thermal runaway, I would love to read it. I found exactly one paper making the claim that HF was produced. That claim was based on a misquote of an earlier paper that is explicit that HF is so reactive that it reacts with the cell materials rapidly and is not present in meaningful amounts. The battery type most likely to have significant amounts of fluoride is the one least likely to have thermal runaway events, an LFP battery (Lithium Ferro Phosphate, where the F is for ferrous, aka iron, not fluorine).Just don't get close, as the constant water helps generate gases more quickly. Tissue damage, or eye damage. And if you are close enough for that you could get lung damage. Not likey to happen, but there is a small probability it could.
Look up Hydrofluoric acid.
Why is a lithium fire worse than a regular fire? - CellBlock FCS
What exactly makes a lithium fire (or a lithium-ion battery fire) more dangerous than, well, a regular fire?
I'm not suggesting that you inhale the fumes, but I do think that a little perspective is warranted.
I think that we are all very accustomed to hydrocarbon fuels, and have become perhaps so familiar with them to the point where people get injured doing stupid things like refueling running equipment or putting gasoline on a fire, because we don't think of the risks.
I think that regardless of whether a vehicle has an internal combustion engine or a battery, both typically have at least enough energy to move the vehicle several hundred miles. That is a lot of energy.
All the best,
Peter
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