perkins deisel fuel problem

brn007 · Oct 14, 2012

I HAVE A 73 MUSTANG SKID STEER LOADER WITH A PERKINS DIESEL FOUR CYLINDER.42 HP. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE BLEDING PROCESS. WHEN I CHANGED THE FILTER. I BELIEVE I HAVE BLED EVERYTHING RIGHT. I BLED AT THE INJECTORS UNTIL GOOD STEDY FUEL WAS COMING OUT[SPURTS] AND IT STARTED RUNNING. SMOKING WHITE. IT WILL RUN AT TIMES FOR A FEW MINUTES. THEN SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CRANK IT , IT GOES DEAD EMEDITLY. BUT STARTS BACK UP. I ALSO BLED THE HIGH SIDE LINE ON THE INJECTORS TO GET IT TO CRANK SOMETIMES. MOST OF THE TIME IT WILL START ON ITS ON WITHOUT BLEDING BUT THE LONGEST IT WILL RUN IS ABOUT 3 MINUTES. SOUNDS LIKE IT IS RUNNING OUT OF FUEL. I CAN LOOSEN EACH INDIVIDUAL LINE ON THE INJECTORS[HIGH SIDE] AND IT CHANGES THE SOUND OF THE ENGINE LIKE EACH CYLINDER IS WORKING. I HAVE BLED EVERY PORT ON THE INJECTOR THAT I CAN SEE. ONE PORT. IT IS A CAV DPA3249F010 PUMP. MECHANICAL. SO AM I DOING SOMETHING WRONG OR IS THERE STILL AIR IN THE SYSTEM. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR 2 DAYS AND CRANKED IT ABOUT FIFTY TIMES. OR IS THE INJECTION PUMP GONE OUT ON ME. I COULD HAVE THE PUMP BENCH TESTED BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE SOMEONE THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT DIESEL THAN I TO GIVE ME A DIRECTION TO GO. SORRY FOR THE SPELLING. I WOULD BE THANKFUL FOR ANY HELP. 1ST TIME ON CHAT WEB SITE.

Blast Chamber · Oct 14, 2012

Hi, and welcome to the forum.

I have a forklift with a Perkins 4.154 diesel in it. Recently I was having similar problems where it was idling rough and then shutting down whenever I pushed the go pedal.

It seemed like it was starving for fuel, and changing the fuel filter didn't help. I then pulled the access panel to the fuel tank and discovered that there was a piece of cellophane tape wedged inside the opening of the fuel pickup tube. There was also a bunch of balled-up string inside the tube at the top elbow. I'm not sure how this trash got into my fuel tank, but after I removed these debris the forklift is running great again.

Another possibility is a failing lift pump if your engine has one. If the lift pump is mechanical and running off the camshaft lobe a torn diaphram can allow diesel fuel to get into the crankcase, so check the oil level and see if it is high and smells of fuel. A cracked fuel line between the tank and the injection pump may also be allowing air into the system, so check all of the connections carefully for air leaks.

Hope this helps, and good luck!

PoorMansCat · Oct 14, 2012

when in doubt, run it out of a small container of fuel... eliminate any and all lines NOT on the engine..

Diamondpilot · Oct 14, 2012

Check first to make sure you have fuel flow to the pump. Remove the line from the tank to the pump and make sure it flows good. If it does then take the filter back off and fill with fuel and reinstall. Bleed as necessary to get it going.

Did it run fine before you attempted to change the filter or was it running poorly and thats why you though you needed to change the filter?

Chris

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

IT WAS RUNNING OR LACK THERE OF THATS THE REASON FOR CHANGING FILTER AND GOING DOWN THIS ROAD. I WAS RUNNING IT OUT OF A FUEL CAN WITH GOOD CLEAN FUEL. I AM GETTING FUEL TO THE PUMP. I AM AGETTING FUEL TO THE INJECTORS. GOOD SPURTS OF FUEL WHEN IT IS RUNNING AND DRIPS WHEN JUST TURNING IT OVER. IF I LET IT SET FOR A WHILE IT SEEMS LIKE IT CRANKS AND RUNS THE LONGEST. IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT IS RUNNING OUT OF FUEL FOR SOME REASON. OR STILL AIR IN LINE, BUT THATS JUST HARD FOR ME TO BELIEVE AFTER THE TIME I HAVE SPENT ON IT TURNINNG THE MOTOR AND CRANKING THE ENGINE. HELP!!!!

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

DONT KNOW ABOUT THE LIFT PUMP BUT THERE IS NO FUEL IN THE OIL. I HAVE REPLACED ALL FUEL LINES AND WAS RUNNING IT OUT OF A FUEL CONTAINER WITH CLEAN FUEL. ABOUT CRACKS IN LINE I HAVE CLEANED ALL LINES AND SEE NO SIGNS OF LEAKS.

DT86 · Oct 15, 2012

You are sucking air somewhere or have a blockage in a line somewhere.

Been there done that.

DT86 · Oct 15, 2012

I'll bet you are either sucking air or have a clogged line.

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

I CAN TAKE ALL THE HARD FUEL LINES OFF AND INSPECT THEM AND THERE FITTINGS. COULD THE PUMP BE SUCKING AIR THREW BAD SEALS OR COULDNT HAPPEN. WHAT GETS ME IT WILL RUN FINE FOR A FEW AND THEN LIKE YOU TURNED OF THE GAS ON A SMALL ENGINE, JUST RUNS OUT OF GAS.

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

I KNOW AIR IN FUEL LINES WILL CAUSE YOU TO PULL OUT HAIR

murphy1244 · Oct 15, 2012

Turn off the caps

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

WILL THAT HELP MY PROBLEM. If so I will be glad to if not SORRY

brn007 · Oct 15, 2012

I have checked all the fuel lines for cracks and found none. I bled the system and got it back to running like it was. I put it back on the tank fuel and it runs the same, besides smokes little more. I guess that from the off road fuel. When a injector pump goes out does it just go or does it pump or work every now and then? Also can you take the injectors out and clean them without buying a kit?

DT86 · Oct 16, 2012

Off road and on road is all the same fuel. That shouldn't made a difference.

You can have the injectors tested at any diesel shop. It shouldn't cost much. I think the last ones I had tested were $4 each.

brn007 · Oct 17, 2012

Thanks for the help DT86. I will take out the injectors and have them tested. If they check out ok i guess i will pul the injector pump and have it tested to. Just strang it will run for a few min. then go dead. It is running kinda rough. After that run it will crank but go dead right away. If you let it sit for a few it will go through the cycle again. ????????? it looks like it would be the pump or injectors.

Diamondpilot · Oct 17, 2012

Are you sure you dont have a restriction in your fuel delivery system? My tractor has a screen up in the tank and the only way to get it out to service is to unscrew the fuel bowl from the tank. If it were me I would put in 5 gallons of diesel and then put a piece of hose on the fuel outlet and into a gallon jug sitting on the ground and time how long it takes to drain all the fuel. It should flow a gallon a minute or so with no gulping or slow down.

Chris

HighMileage · Oct 17, 2012

I agree that it sound like fuel problem. But, don't rule out an air problem...VERY dirty air filter or collapsing hose from filter to intake. Just a thought. Good luck.

brn007 · Oct 18, 2012

Thanks for all of your help. I replaced the hose to the breather. Filter is not bad. I can go out right now and it will start up but run rough and go dead in about 2 min. Start right back up and run for 30 sec. and keep on starting. After running or warming it up it runs smooth but still the same run time frame. Im shure the injectors could use a cleaning. Want hurt. I will pull them off and have cleaned and tested, while there off inspect closely and may replace the hard fuel lines. Then see what happens after its back together. What yaw think about that? Those injector pumps are big $$$$$$ I hope thats not the problem. Oh ya i took like going to the injector pump ,supply, and it had great pressure.