PETA have no idea

[daedong]

I hope this doesn't get deleted

These folks just don't understand the issue, if they ever seen a flyblown sheep suffering or dying for that matter their views would be different I am sure. I have seen hundreds of blown sheep over the years and I can tell you it ant’s pretty. Mulesing reduces the incidents of flyblow enormously. If it were banned probably tens of thousands would die or suffer each and every year.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1470227.htm

PETA protesters bare bums against mulesing

Half-naked, blood-covered PETA protesters have resumed their campaign against the wool industry outside the Australian embassy in the US capital, Washington.

PETA is again urging international retailers to boycott Australian wool as part of its campaign against the practice of mulesing, where some of the skin is removed from the sheep's backside to prevent flystrike.

PETA is also campaigning against the live export of sheep.

Organiser Christy Griffin says the PETA activists have not been shy about making their point.

"We had a group of activists who were nearly nude," she said.

"They had Australian flags painted on their butts, and they were covered in blood, and they were lined up outside the Australian embassy in Washington."

Ms Griffin says there were no arrests as PETA handed out leaflets to embassy workers and others passing by.

She says a deal PETA struck with the Australian Wool Growers Association to phase out mulesing was rejected by Australian Wool Innovation and Australian wool producers.

PETA is now urging its members to contact Prime Minister John Howard to lobby him to back the agreement.

 

[DocHeb]

I don't think the content would cause deletion, but verbatim insertion of copyrighted material can cause problems for the site.

 

[kensfarm]

"flyblown sheep "

daedong.. what is flyblow.. how does it effect the sheep?

 

[daedong]

Flies lay maggots In the fleece, the maggots in turn feast on the flesh this if left untreated turns infected and the sheep dies a slow and painful death.

PETA have not reported the truth for a start. To talk about running new or different breeds is fancifully, the Australian merinos has been developed over about 200 years to suit or climate and environment as well as produce an excellent fleece. There are somewhere around 100 million sheep in this country and they run in mobs of maybe a few hundred to 20,000. There are many farms (stations) where they run 1 sheep per 5 acres. If a station runs 20,000 sheep it can take a week or more to yard them. So understanding this one does not need any imagination to realise how impractical it is to yard sheep just crutch every time flies are a problem.
Mulesing is done when they are lambs, only weeks old, It is done at the same time they are tail docked and castrated, good operators use antiseptic hygiene practices and anti fly sprays at the time so infection from flies does not happen. Pictures are banded around by PETA and some other groups are either exaggerated or taken from a minority of cowboys in the act.

I don’t believe that it’s not that dissimilar to circumcision

 

[Bob_Skurka]

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Flies lay maggots In the fleece, the maggots in turn feast on the flesh this if left untreated turns infected and the sheep dies a slow and painful death. </font>


Here in the US that is often refered to as a "hot spot" and is typically treated by shaving down the affected area, disinfecting it with hydrogen peroxide or similar solutions and keeping it clean and dry for a while. It affects many long hair dog breeds too. Often it is hard to detect before it gets to be very serious, especially on animals that are not house pets.

 

[RedRocker]

From what I've seen, they're pretty clueless about anything concerning animal welfare.

 

[EddieWalker]

PETA, along with the other so called "animal rights groups" are basically money making cash cows with 90% operating costs that have yet to benifit any animal species out there.

They were just in the news lately for killing dogs that they were collecting money for the purpose of relocating to new homes. It cost too much money to relocate them, so they put them to sleep and dumped their bodies in a dumpster, where they were found. How many other dumpsters have been used for this?

The number one target for their money raising campaigns are single/widowed elderly women. Most of their actions are geared towards convincing them of the need for their support.

The sheep in your country are no concern for them, but the attention they recieve for their actions is a major part of their marketing strategy. Once they get on the news, they know they will recieve more money in the form of donations based on the information reported on. For those who donate their money to these "causes" the truth isn't important. It's all about emotions and gulibity.

Eddie

 

[sneaky_pete]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( From what I've seen, they're pretty clueless about anything concerning animal welfare. )</font>

Their picture or logo would be in the dictionary, if there were a single word that meant: "people who have more money and time than they know what to do with, and not enough to worry about".

 

[shepherd]

you hit the nail right on the head /forums/images/graemlins/smile.giftheir idiots when it comes to real issue's (sorry to all that disagree with me but this is what i think i'm not going to try to force someone to think like me)

 

[EddieWalker]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( you hit the nail right on the head /forums/images/graemlins/smile.giftheir idiots when it comes to real issue's (sorry to all that disagree with me but this is what i think i'm not going to try to force someone to think like me) )</font>

I understand how you feel, but it's more a matter of being ignorant and naive than them being idiots. Sometimes too much formal education removes people from the realities of what really happens in the world. I call it Bambi sydrome. They have a pet and think all wild animals are the same. Wishful thinking, but not very useful in managing wildlife for their best long term interest.

Eddie

 

[BlueRidge]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( PETA have not reported the truth for a start. )</font>

Which PETA are you talking about? ...... Oh, THAT PETA.

Nothing new about that. Lying is SOP for THEM.


I was concerned you might be talking about the PETA that I belong to: People for the Edible Treatment of Animals.

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[thcri]

ABout two years ago some female came in to a meeting for a area town that has a gopher count. Yep you trap a gopher and keep the legs and bring them in for the gopher count. This festival brings in may people from all over the area. This lady was upset and ranted and ranted about how cruel this was. After about ten minutes of this one of the council people got up and basicallly told her she was a hypocrite. Yep this lady had leather pants on and a doberman pincher outside that had it's tail cut and ears snipped. She basically was railroaded out of town. Now for the gopher count, not many people bring the legs in anymore as this was a festival started many years ago when the gopher population was overwhelming and the county and state paid so much for the legs to help out. In fact, when I was younger in another county back in the early 60's I was paid a buck for a pair. That was good money for a 10 year old kid. I stayed at my grandma's farm and trapped morning and night. I think I made over a 100 bucks that year. Gee that doesn't seem like much anymore.

murph

 

[rozett]

One of my favorite bumper stickers....

PETA... People Eating Tasty Animals.

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[HGM]

You know guys, I've been trying all day to avoid this post.....

Couldnt resist anymore and just have to add my opinion of these miguided morons.

Feeling better already.... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

It seems that the older I get the more I notice people who jump on any bandwaggon they can find just to get in someones face.They do not understand the issues they confront and are apparently just looking for an argument(this is the ignorance factor mentioned earlier)... If you begin to enlighten them they become more intense and act like a 2yr old child ignoring you (LA-LA-LA-LA-LA).As a mater of fact, I believe that most of them are young kids looking for a cause... They do mean well I'm sure, but wont do the research to see the facts.

Ok, feel better.....Thanks for listening.. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[ejtaylor822]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sometimes too much formal education removes people from the realities of what really happens in the world.)</font>

As Lewis Grizzard use to say, people educated beyond their common sense. I think that applies here....

Like HGM, I have been avoiding this one as well. The PETA group, and others like them, get me spun up at times. I believe too they mean well, but, I think it's mostly for attention and trying to fit in.

I thought the comment from the organiser talking about people being nearly nude was odd. It appeared to me the attention was being drawn more to themselves than their "cause".

And as far as seeing nude PETA people, this does not interest me at all. It's hard to tell some of the girls from the boys and vice-versa and those that are girls........ well..... no thanks. There are some things you know you just do not want to see /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[PhilNH5]

I would not discount PETA so quickly. They are a well run marketing group. They are very good at getting news media attention and then members and money.
My wife is a school teacher. She gets unsolicited "lessons" from these types of groups (not sure if it is PETA or others). These are supposed to be lessons in world cultures or history but they paint modern animal husbandry in a very negative light. They even target children with this cute site Same with hunting. On a local level they try to change laws or get new ones passed. They have a cute comic book aimed at getting kids to stop their dads from fishing. They are trying to sway the youth so these kids will support them as adults. A scary well thought out plan.

I work for a pharmaceutical company. We have 24 hour security guards and card access to the building and the labs. These security measures are solely to prevent PETA type trouble. Of course the bill gets passed along to the consumer.

We have an animal use committe. By PETA influenced law it must include "members of the community". These are people with no training nor background in science, animal work nor pharmaceuticals. Yet they have input in our work.

OKay. I'll stop for now. I guess the point is that PETA is not just a bunch of Yahoos. They know what they are doing.

Phil

 

[Boondox]

I'm so sick of these people I wish they'd all be reincarnated as livestock! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

When I was teaching at San Diego State one of our research associates was a militant vegan/PETA sort. She used to accost me about wearing murdered cow around my waist and on my feet. Thought I was the only faculty member who was sick of her till one day, while carpooling to a conference with this silly twit raving at the driver for eating a "McDeath Burger," the driver pulled over to the side of a very busy freeway and threw the offender out! Left her right there at the side of the road and drove off smiling! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[HGM]

I dont think anyone is discounting them per say. They are effective at getting attention. The issue is that they are usually distorting the truth or ignoring it all together. The American media swarms on controversy, so they will always be around.. First we need to do something about the media, then most of our issues will go away quietly, the least of wich is PETA.

Morning therapy /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gifgota love it.....

 

[slowrev]

HGM,
The "news" media seems to be getting more like Jerry Springer every day.
Ben

 

[HGM]

Thats putting it mildly, probably politically correct though /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif