Picked up my first welder today

   / Picked up my first welder today #101  
I'm guessing the SA 200 might really be out of my league then

Don't put yourself down. There's nothing wrong with welding on a machine that's better than you are. Unlike, say, race cars, where if the driver is not up to the task, the car will put him into the rail, the better a welder is, the easier it is to weld with, generally speaking. If I had an SA-200 in my barn, I sure as heck would give it a once over--see if it will turn over by hand or if it's locked up, for example. If it turned freely, I might change the oil, drain out the tank, clean out the carburetor, put some fresh gas in it, top off the battery, and see if it'd turn over. You never know... A little rust on the dials may be all that's wrong with it, in which case you're a lucky fellow. That being said, for every cherry like Shield Arc found, there are a hundred rusted-out hunks that will never weld again, so don't get your hopes too far up only to be disappointed later.

Once I got into welding, SA-200s kind of took on a sentimental value. I kind of buy into it even though I have never even seen one in person. So many other weldors just adore that thing that it seems to have rubbed off.
 
   / Picked up my first welder today #102  
They don't all have pretty faces. :laughing:
 

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   / Picked up my first welder today #103  
I've got to get some new skin for my blue face transition model. And want to convert idler as it is slow as molasses in January. But then I need to put an new Zenith carb (got a perfectly running marvel/schebler). It was completely factory rebuilt in 1996 and has only 400 hours since, but money is tight with a almost 2 year old. Carl anytime you want to give some free advice, as I'd like to rewire with new wire, and make the conversion as and when I have time...I take it.
 
   / Picked up my first welder today #104  
Mark anything you want to know about SA-200s is right here on these two sites. Kaye Sellon, Bill's daughter is on the AWS site all the time to answer questions. Dig around on Bill's site, they have all the information from Lincoln there.
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   / Picked up my first welder today
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I'll have to uncover the ole girl and post some pics. I have to clean out that section of the yard a bit anyway. You guys have me extra curious now. Is 1969 an ok year for the SA-200?
 
   / Picked up my first welder today #106  
I didn't realize you have a FREE 69 SA 200 at your disposal! Almost as good as striking gold.:cool2: Unless it was burn't out, it's worth looking into getting running. It is a RED Face for sure and very desirable!:thumbsup::thumbsup: Even if it's beyond your budget to fix, it's worth good money to the right buyer. Pipe welders will spend $4 or $5000 having Red Faces completely refurbished better than new. Some will even pay double that to get a Tom Fowler Mainliner SA. SA 200's are really popular with pipe welders because of how they work doing downhand pipe welding with XX10 rods. You can drag the rod on the pipe and have a consistent smooth arc. I have heard from an extremely knowledgeable welding instructor and former Miller rep. that Miller portables can tend to re-rectify the arc when dragging the rod going vertical down because they are a 3 phase alternator using a rectifier to get DC current. Something like that anyway. There are some Millers that are better for pipe welding though.

Remote controls aren't really for changing the current when welding, well for TIG they are. Changing current with one hand while using the crash and burn one handed method on the stinger? I don't think you could adjust the current fast enough for what you needed to change. You could do that easier by manipulating the rod as necessary. Remote's are nice to have because depending on the weld you want, you can adjust as needed without going back to the machine. The root pass may need less heat than the fill and cap passes. The 5 current ranges should never be adjusted when welding. You'd have serious arcing/melting/welding of the contacts not to mention your weld would go cold for a second when you switched ranges. SA 200's vary the open circuit voltage from about 55 to 90 volts with the 5 overlapping current ranges. This affects how forceful or soft the arc is. Older SA200's use all copper windings which lets a welder set their heat in the morning and it' stays consistent all day long. The 73-till early 90's? SA 200's used some aluminum winding's that required changing the settings as the welder warmed up and cooled off for lunch breaks and such. A royal PIA! The Classic series and still available diesel models went back to the old all copper winding's. Not as good as the older Red faces(60's) and short hoods(40's/50's)but close. For most welding other than pipe, most welders wouldn't notice a difference between an SA 200 over other DC welders. All stick welding machines will vary the amperage somewhat with arc length. This wasn't a unique feature of SA 200's. Open circuit volts drops from 55-90 down to around 24 arc volts. MIG welders are opposite and are called constant voltage machines, which means you set the voltage and it stays pretty consistent. Basically, stick welding machines are constant current/variable voltage and MIG machines are constant voltage/variable current(amps). It's a little..or a lot confusing sometimes.
 
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   / Picked up my first welder today #107  
Remote controls aren't really for changing the current when welding, well for TIG they are. Changing current with one hand while using the crash and burn one handed method on the stinger? I don't think you could adjust the current fast enough for what you needed to change.

I don't know anything personally about pipe welding. I'm just repeating what I saw on FieldRes's YouTube channel. If you look at 4:28 in this video, you can see him holding the stinger with one hand and adjusting the remote with the other. I don't know if this is a common technique or not. He sure is an "uncommon" weldor. (For example, he regularly welds pipe with no eye protection because he is sure he can keep the arc inside the pipe.)

 
   / Picked up my first welder today #108  
What is a transition welder? 57 had the short hood, then they went to the long hood in 58. I don't think there was anything in between. Most welders wouldn't adjust the machine when they welding.

I watched a little of the video but had to stop. His weld might be perfect but you can't tell for sure till you clean the slag off. He keeps repeating himself and cursing every second word. Welding like that without a helmet is not something anyone should ever try. He could be the greatest welder to ever pick up a stinger but if he can't make a video without cursing worse than a sailor and showing people how to get permanent eye damage, he should keep his video's to himself.
 
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   / Picked up my first welder today #109  
He could be the greatest welder to ever pick up a stinger but if he can't make a video without cursing worse than a sailor and showing people how to get permanent eye damage, he should keep his video's to himself.

If you believe the tickets he shows in his videos, he is a darn good weldor. Titanium. Inconel. Etc... It's hard to tell if he's putting on a personality for his videos, or if that's what he's really like when the camera is off. He's an oddball for sure.
 
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Here are some pics with the tarp off. Not the prettiest sheet metal, although most of it is intact. Good news is the top of the exhaust stack was covered with a can under the tarp, no water should have gotten in. There's evidence of seeds etc. from critters camping out, but no chewed wiring that I can see. Oil dipstick was still at the proper level. Gas tank feels solid and it's empty. Tried a quick turn on the crank pulley by hand in an awkward position, didn't get it to move. Might need some mystery oil squirted in with the plugs pulled to sit a while. I have to cut a bunch of brush out of the way to pull her out.
 

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