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Ranchman,
I second what you say.
I have gained alot of information/advice through out this thread and I sincerly value and appreciate the input from everyone.
 
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I agree Egon concerning hand size. My hands are on the small side and when I was looking for a semi-auto, the high capacity were out because I couldn't hold it with one hand good enough to shoot. I had to get different grips for the one I ended up getting to get the right feel. I also chose stainless steel for durability. After getting aquainted with my home defense weapon, I purchased a .22 Beretta for plinking as it was much cheaper for the ammo. In hindsight, I wish I would have gotten the larger .22 Ruger. The Beretta is very small and can fit in the palm of my hand, and even though it is very acurate, it is more difficult to use than the larger Ruger.

Just as a comparison can anybody say Hydro vs. Gear /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( she just doesn't choose ... )</font>

You've just come up with the argument for which there is no sane counter. And where we all end up in the end, eh? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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<font color="blue">Just as a comparison can anybody say Hydro vs. Gear /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif </font>

Excellent analogy. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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I'm a little surprised at the responses to this post. Most of the time when someone says I want a tractor, there's a million questions as to what they need it for, etc. This time people are just shooting out their opinions.

So, let me ask a couple of questions.

Why do you NEED to carry a firearm on your farm?
What do you intend to kill?

Before I get hammered by everyone as anti-gun, I own two revolvers, a semi-auto pistol and a carbine. I'm definitely not anti gun.

Trying to get one gun that does all is like trying to get a 60 hp tractor for field work and mowing your back yard.

I carried several different revolvers and later a semi-auto pistol for 27 years as a Treasury Agent (NOT ATF). I look at a weapon as a tool, but also something one can have some sporting fun with, but a tool that needs a great deal of respect. The purchase of a firearm is something that should be made with a specific purpose in mind. One can spend a lot of money on a firearm and still not have one that meets their needs and desires.

If it's for varmints on the farm, a hand gun may or may not be the best thing. If it's for hunting, then a handgun probalby is not the best thing either. For home protection, a dog, and/or a shotgun may be your best bet. Criminals are afraid of facing a shotgun, even your semi invalid and half blind old granny can't miss. Racking a round into a shotgun in an otherwise silent house at night is THE LOUDEST SOUND IN THE WORLD. A shotgun is also a lot harder for a child to play with without being seen.

These are just examples. There are millions of options. Some have suggested .38/.357 revolvers. Great choice, but a $8.00 + a box of 50 reloaded .38 wadcutters, they are not cheap to fire. Do you need that much weapon. There are many fine .22 rimfire weapons around, if all you want to kill are tin cans and the odd rabbit or squirrel. If you want something durable you can keep in your pickup, the Air Force developed an AR-7 .22 caliber survival rifle. It is ugly as sin, but has a 7 round (longrifle) magazine, 16" barrle and a hollow plastic stock. It comes apart into 3 parts, barrel, receiver and stock. All parts fit into the stock and the weapon is therefore waterproof. The weapon is only a few pounds, and floats wheter assembled or in the stock. It's dust and water proof when knocked down and can be assembled in a few minutes. It's also under $200.00 and is probably more accurate that most high cost pistols simply because of the barrel length. I only mention this as an option.

So, back to the original questions:

Why do you NEED to carry a weapon on your farm?
What do you want to kill?

Joe
 
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I prefer a GSD - no worries about racking the slide, jamming, where's the speedloader, no need to lock to keep away from younguns, etc. Good protection for the wife and kiddies when you're out in the fields or at work, not to much maintenance, a little dirt or water doesn't seem to affect them.
 
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I also have several guns but my favorite for protection is a single shot .410 snake charmer all SS with plastic pistol grip stock. carries 5 rounds in the stock. cost 99 dollars. next is a Ruger .357 and my rottweiler.

Charlie
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Why do you NEED to carry a weapon on your farm?What do you want to kill?
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Well if you are on a farm it is a lot easier carrying a pistol on the tractor than a rifle.
As far as killing it would be a deer, but if you see a rabid fox or an injured animal or a feral dog it is nice not to have to go back to the house to get a rifle.You can hunt deer where I live with a handgun,so I would need something bigger than a 22 caliber.
I have thought about getting a concealed weapon permit as well.
I have had guns and hunted for 38 years.I currently have about 14 guns/rifles/shotguns and muzzleoaders.
I want a pistol and I knew if I posted a note here I would get lots of suggestions.
 
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<font color="blueclass=small">( <font color="blue"> I prefer a GSD - no worries about racking the slide, jamming, where's the speedloader, no need to lock to keep away from younguns, etc. Good protection for the wife and kiddies when you're out in the fields or at work, not to much maintenance, a little dirt or water doesn't seem to affect them. </font>

GSD LOL:
You are not telling me anything there....I have 5 GSD adults and 7 six week old GSD pups on the farm(purebred/registered). One male 105 lbs I had to step over to get out the door to go to work today.
 
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A .357 would be ok for deer. I was just reading in Ken Waters "Pet Loads"(A set of books about favorite handloads, not pets) where he was working .357 loads. With heavy bullets, he felt it would be ok up to deer size animals. The .41 mag and up in calibre/size would be good choices. There are a number of newer large magnums available.

For a carry gun, on a tractor, that could hunt deer, you are looking primarily at two possibilities. A revolver, or single-shot. Why? Most magnums are not available in semi-auto's. Examples of a Revolver might be a S&W X29 or Ruger Redhawk. A single shot example is a TC Contender. There are others, within those manufacturers product lines and other manufacturers, but the ones I mention are time proven performers. Either revolver or single shot would be a nice entry in to the pistol field too(IMHO).

In the revolver series, you can fire a selection of magnum loads, in a soft or hollow point. In a single shot, you can shoot rounds that revolvers might fire, but can also get in to some rifle rounds and hybrids.

If I was in your position, I think a good pistol to buy would be a S&W 629 with 6" barrel, ported. Why? As a 44mag, it has reach and knockdown power. 44mag ammo is easily available. The ported barrel would help tame the recoil. You can also shoot 44-special, for plinking. Or, if the 44mag recoil is too much, a 44sp is still a good sized round for short range hunting.

I also like the classic one cartridge/two gun idea too; a 44 wheel gun matched with a .44 lever rifle would be a great combo. Pistol would make a nice 50 yard gun, the rifle a nice 100 yard gun.

Of note:
*Make sure the pistol fits you. I had a nice Ruger Blackhawk that had been tuned by a gunsmith. It shot really nice! But, it did not fit my hand, and I had problems shooting it offhand. On the bench, I could shoot well, but unsupported I could barely hit the target. It just did not fit me, even with different grips.

*Try it. As I mentioned earlier, see if you local ranges rent pistols, and give them a try. You want to be able to cary on the tractor, try the pistol in a holster(unloaded, of course) and sit in a chair. Move around like you would on the tractor. A good gunshop should be able to help you with that.

*If available, go to a pistol class. I have shot all my life. I had shot pistols on occasion, and did ok. I still found the introductery pistol class informative, and took some good points from it.
*Be aware of range. With a pistol you will probably want to limit your range to less than 50 yards. I read an article once that said not to exceed the range in which you can place all your shots on a paper plate. A paper plate is about the size of the primary vital zone on a deer or pig. I used to shoot(not competitively) silhouttes at 100 meters, about 112 yards. I could consistently hit pigs, off-hand/unsupported, with 8 of 8 rounds in my clip(previously owned ported Desert Eagle 44Mag semi-auto). However, my personally applied limit in the field was 50 yards. It is different shooting on the range than in the field(as I'm sure you are aware).

Now, above I mentioned magnums tend to not be available in semi-auto's. I will note here, that some are available, and that is what I used to carry in the field. My personal choice, after shooting many pistols, was a Magna-ported Desert Eagle in 44mag. It handled exceptionally well and was very accurate, although it is a somewhat heavy gun. To replace it(UPS stole it in shipping a couple years ago), I want to eventually get another Desert Eagle, and a revolver. My only issue with the Desert Eagle, was that it would only cycle the slide with full bore hot magnums. It did not like lead bullets(could clog gas port) or light loads(slide would not cycle). I have a friend who has a coupel 44 revolvers. By hand loading, he has 44sp loads that are on the money at 50 yards, and are great to plink with. He loaded 44mag loads that are right on at 100 yards. Both loads are right on at above mentioned ranges, without site adjustment...

I have shot .357mag, .44mag, 30-30, .30 Herret, 45-70, and .375JDJ from TC Contenders. The .375JDJ would hold a 2" group at 200yards(scoped, from a bench), and has harvested a number of Wyoming elk(it's a buddies). A 10" barreled Contender or similar handgun could certianly fit you bill. Some calibres, like the .45, can shoot snake shot very well, and one is available that can handle .45 or .410 shotshell.

The stuff I mentioned above runs about $600-1200.

All of the above, especially in this thread, is of course, IMHO, FWIW.
 

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