Pit Bull Kills Another Kid

[tallyho8]

This is a good reason to neuter dogs. According to an article I read no fatal dog attack involving an altered dog has ever been reported even though there have been 70 Americans killed by pit bulls in the last 17 years.

I have owned and raised and trained dogs for over 55 years and had many various breeds and mixes in this time. I was once given a pit bull which was very obedient and docile but I gave him away 3 days later because my years of instinct around dogs told me that this dog was not for me. I don't believe that dogs that are easily capable of killing children should be anywhere in their vicinity. Who knows what turns the friendly pooch suddenly into a vicious killer. The killer dogs owners ALWAYS say he was friendly and obedient and the world's best dog but that "something just snapped".

Louisiana was probably the last state to outlaw dog fighting and still has legal cock-fighting (at least until next year) and there are still dog fights held in remote areas so there are many pit bulls in this area. After Katrina there were probably more pit bulls rescued from flooded homes in New Orleans than all other breeds put together. People did not evacuate their pit bulls, they left them home to protect their homes. I heard no reports of injuries to the rescuers of hundreds of these starving dogs that had been trapped in homes for many days.

Until the day when scientists can determine why many of these loyal trustworthy dogs "suddenly snap" I will never allow my grandkids around one. To those of you who wish to tell me that your pit bulls sleep with your kids and have always been friendly, I will just say "so far".

 

[Sigarms]

Bird, I'll be the first to back you up on this one.Anyone who owns a "bully" dog that say's they know just what their dog will do is the ignorant one. Just as the family of the young boy, the couldn't figure out what happened. "Such a gentle ,obeident dog.
Anyone who has one of these " bully" dogs is an accident waiting to happen, but if it is expected it isn't an accident is it?
The poor elderly lady that got attacked in her own bed cause 2" bully" dogs got thru her pet door and nearly killed her had some neighbors who had such gentle pets, they couldn't figure out what happened either. All I need to add to this subject is keep you "bully" dogs far away from me, cause I ain't scared of them.

Yep, just like Eddie Walker. What kind of dog did he "find" that attacked his stepson?

Was it a bully breed?

Granted, bully breeds need to have special care, however, to say that they are an accident waiting to happen is just plain ignorant

We had the most issues with Chihuahua's because the elderly owners were no longer able to care for them. People see that small dog and think how cute. After doing temperment testing, we knew we had our hands full. Bottom line, unless you found a single owner home, they were in trouble due to their social interaction with other humans other than the owner. They were and are the most aggressive dog I've ever come across. However, since they only weigh maybe 5-10 lbs, no big deal, they can't kill anyone. However, try and find them a home. Guess what happens to them? Gas box.

 

[Sigarms]

This is a good reason to neuter dogs.

Or spayed.

Very good point. I wonder how many here have had their pets altered?

Let's see, what guns should we outlaw? I guess whatever manufacturer has the most kills

As a "foster parent" of a bully breed, I find this thread offensive.

I've pm'd the mods to have this thread deleted. I sincerely hope my wish is granted.

Funny, this thread was started by a moderator.

As I've mentioned before, refs are to observe the game, not play it.

 

[Sigarms]

Bird, I'll be the first to back you up on this one.Anyone who owns a "bully" dog

What's your list of "bully dogs"?

 

[Bird]

Yep, Sigarms, I can understand this thread offending you. Small children being killed and maimed by the dogs owned by folks like you offends me, too.

As for the chihuahuas, I've never heard of anyone being seriously injured by one, although I've heard, and read, of how snappish they can be. I may not be quite as ignorant about dogs as you seem to think I am, and the chihuahua we have loves everyone and everything. She won't even snarl, growl, or snap at you if you hurt her. She's just looking for anyone that wants to play; human or animal.

 

[Sigarms]

Yep, Sigarms, I can understand this thread offending you. Small children being killed and maimed by the dogs owned by folks like you offends me, too.

Let me guess Bird, because you're a moderator with over 20k posts, because you posted it, you get special treatment??

I've been told that threads get deleted because someone finds it offensive. Guess we'll see.

No, I'm offended because you labeled the dog I have in my care as the same dog as your post, and you think that breed of dog should not exist.

Your dog is beyond being "snappish". I've taken care of three of them, and were by far the most agressive dogs I've been around.

Who cares if your dog isn't agressive. Same breed, does not matter.

That is what your original post implies. THATS why I find it offensive.

Guess since you're a mod, nothing will happen....

Well, perhaps some post of mine posts will get deleted, but NOT YOUR post.

 

[curly]

I've always heard that about pitbulls, the agresssiveness. Is it a myth or are there stats that say so-and-so percentage of dog bytes/attacks/kills are done by pit bulls.

Where can we go to look at stats that show which dogs are responsible for these attacks?

My mamma had a chiwawa when we were growing up. He was extremely protective and agressive. He bit a lotta people on their shoe and if anyone was brave enough to try to pet him while he was visciously barking at them...he bit their hand. He never drew blood though and doubt there will be Chiwawa on that list I asked for.

 

[Bird]

As I've mentioned before, refs are to observe the game, not play it.

In the first place, there's a big difference between a "ref" and a moderator. In the second place, posts are not removed, edited, etc. because they "offend" someone, but only when they violate the rules set out in the FAQ and Terms of Service.

Now . . . personal attacks are one of those violations. You called me ignorant, when you have no idea how much I know about dogs, and I responded. I may have been wrong in my response, and if Muhammad or any of the other moderators wants to remove my posts, so be it, and I'll not be offended by that.

And yes, chihuahuas have a reputation for being snappish, and if ours ever showed any inclination in that direction, I'd be sure that she was never allowed near anyone else. But even if she attacked someone, I doubt that she'd do serious damage. Can you say the same for the dogs you harbor?

Can you explain WHY you own and harbor such dogs? I'm always willing to learn, but I just don't know or understand any reason for anyone harboring such animals other than the ones I've listed already.

 

[Sigarms]

Can you explain WHY you own and harbor such dogs? I'm always willing to learn, but I just don't know or understand any reason for anyone harboring such animals other than the ones I've listed already.

There is a difference between calling one ignorant and a stupid.

Bird, READ!!!

I have an American Staffshire Terrier in foster care, for the last two years. I stated that.

I have a full time job, good at it, as well as my wife, and because of our love of unwanted animals, we got "seriously" involved in the local county humane society.

As mentioned, we have had MANY dogs in our care, and each one "became" part of our family (makes it much easier to find good homes if the animal is house broken and no problems noticed).

Per your original post, I see no difference if I started a thread such as:

Do you realize that most crime committed in city/urban areas are committed by minorities? Well, if most of the crime is committed by minority groups between the ages of 11 and 35, why not just round up all of those people who fit the profile and eliminate them? No questions asked. Does not matter what their education is, if they have committed a crime or if they are still in school. Better yet, why not just sterilize those that fit the profile so we won't have future possible issues to deal with?

You may laugh, but other than the fact my hypothetical (sp?) thread is dealing with humans, no difference between the analogy dealing with animals (which men are).

Jonathen Swift's (sp?) "An indecent proposal" comes to mind.

Heck, I'd be willing to bet more guns have killed people than any type of pit bull. Why not talk about eliminating guns?

Personally, I never understoon some of the rules. You mention per the rules that "politics" are not allowed per discussion, but what is gun ownership? If that's not a political hot potato, I don't know what ii (and if anyone has read any of my post, you know I own a wide variety of firearms).

I'm getting off the subject, but the previous comments add to my confusion as to how and why you may delete posts.

Per your thread, you've insinuated (sp?) that there is no reason for the pit bull breed. Since I have had a "bully breed" in my home for the last two years, and have found that particular animal one of the best I have ever come across, I do find offense to your comments.

I have however, found her a home, and it's with a family that actually has children. I've conversed with this man, he's familiar with the breed, and worst case scenerio, I will drive over 2,000 miles one way to get her to that home.

That said, I'll admit I'm the one offended, and not "hide" and send an e-mail in hopes that the post will get deleted and know one will know who was upset by it.

The difference between you and I Bird is if your dog bit someone, it may not do serious damage, but you'd still keep it and make an excuse as to "it's nothing serious", however, if anyone of my dogs bit someone withot being provoked in some way, and I was there, I'd eliminate the dog if needed.

That said, come on to my property and if by chance I'm not around and a dog in my care does harm to you, it's your fault, and I seriously suggest you don't try to "take care of the dog".

 

[Sigarms]

I've always heard that about pitbulls, the agresssiveness. Is it a myth or are there stats that say so-and-so percentage of dog bytes/attacks/kills are done by pit bulls.

Where can we go to look at stats that show which dogs are responsible for these attacks?

My mamma had a chiwawa when we were growing up. He was extremely protective and agressive. He bit a lotta people on their shoe and if anyone was brave enough to try to pet him while he was visciously barking at them...he bit their hand. He never drew blood though and doubt there will be Chiwawa on that list I asked for.

You're absolutely correct.

However, when the owner can no longer care for that animal and the animal in question needs to find another home, it can be extrememly difficult to find a home for such an aggressive dog.

My point being that a properly care for/trained bully breed owned by an owner that knows how to deal with a bully breed, the problems will be nil.

As mentioned before, ANY dog can show signs of unprdictable aggression (sp?).