Planet of the Apes may not be too far off!

   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off!
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Glenn, Dan, and others. This is what has me worried. No this wasn't in Western Horseman but was sent to me by another gentleman who is also worried about this animal rights thing. Glenn,
WH isn't like that at all. They are very two sided when they discuss issues and have the facts to back what they say. I have never read an article in there that was sensationalized. Now some of the others, especially Equus, is guilty of that, but WH is pretty good at sticking to facts.

> Attached is a very interesting perspective on a hunter who attended the
> > recent Animal Rights Conference.
> > Scary stuff.
> > Have a great summer.
> > Thanks for all you do for the RMEF.
> > Much appreciated.
> > Pass It On.
> >
> > Terry Wayne Cloutier
> > Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
> > Director of South Central Field Operations
> > 14808 NE 186th St.
> > Holt, MO 64068
> > 816-320-2681 Office
> > 816-320-2682 Fax
> >
>
THE ANIMAL RIGHTS 2001 CONFERENCE - TERRORISM AND A RADICAL AGENDA AT A HILTON HOTEL

After several requests by Conservation Force, an international sustainable use conservation organization located in Louisiana, I agreed to attend the annual animal rights meeting. The Conference ran from 30 June to 5 July at the Hilton Hotel in McLean, Virginia. John Jackson, Chairman of Conservation Force, believed that it was important for hunters and other sustainable use supporters to attend this conference just as animal rights representatives attended annual wildlife management meetings. This made sense to me. I was surprised to learn that no other sustainable use or hunting or fishing group planned to have anyone attend this meeting in a suburb of Washington. As the five days passed, I discovered that no participants or attendees from any of the national conservation groups were to be found, here in their own backyard. To the best of my knowledge, no one else who questioned the goals or tactics of the animal rights movement was in attendance.

Those of you who hunt, fish, trap, wear fur, raise mink, sell fur or leather products, train animals, have pets, enjoy rodeos, enjoy circuses, live on ranches or farms, log timber or graze animals, use wood products, eat meat, eat eggs, eat cheese, eat wild fish and wildlife, eat seafood, attend dog races, support animal research for human treatments, support proactive fish and wildlife management for human benefit, use public lands, own guns, support the 2nd Amendment, wear leather, oppose terrorism, oppose intimidation, oppose physical threats, recreate in the outdoors with your families, love your children, want your religious institutions kept free from infiltration and manipulation, believe in the Constitutional freedoms of the USA, oppose the continued expansion of Federal power, oppose forcible establishment of rule by anarchy in our USA, oppose the efforts of the UN to regulate everything to do with fish and wildlife and guns throughout the world, and who love this nation and what it stands for should have been there. Organizations that represent your interests should have been there. Law enforcement organizations should have been there.

The people and groups that gathered at this luxury Hilton Hotel for five days made no bones that they are going to eliminate every traditional use of animals and many other American freedoms and traditions. They have been going about this incrementally for years. Since there have been no serious consequences of their activities, their boldness and arrogance has reached gargantuan proportions. They clearly believe and preach the radical reformation of the way we live, the way we relate to our government, and the elimination of most freedoms that we take for granted here in the USA. They intend to change the relationship between mankind and the animal world that has existed for millennia.

This radical movement must be brought into the light of day. Their agenda, from mandated veganism to obtaining legal rights first for apes and then for all other animals, must be understood by all of us. The current process where bear hunting is voted out in one state and all of us say, “I don’t hunt bears”. Where wild Himalayan sheep are added to UN Lists and all of us say, “I will never get to the Himalayas”. Where public land is locked up and we say, “I will never have to use that land”. Where dog breeders are restricted to low numbers or forbidden to breed their dogs and we say, “I have a cat”. This incremental process of dividing us and slowly taking away right after right, this must be exposed and responded to by all of us, including those vegans and disgruntled citizens who value freedom and America’s promise.

The only way for me to convey the truly frightening experience of attending this conference is to describe what I encountered. I earnestly hope that the reader will be convinced to treat this movement with the serious consideration and public scrutiny that it deserves. If all of us don’t pull together to maintain our freedoms and way of life, these people will surely turn us into a society that our forefathers would not recognize and in which we, and I ultimately believe they, will not want to live.

I can only report what I saw through the eyes of a 60 year old white male. These are also the eyes and ears of a Catholic wildlife biologist and ex-law enforcement officer who hunts, fishes, and understands the benefits of proactive fish and wildlife management. After a stint with the Utah Game and Fish, the US Navy, the Minneapolis Police Department, and 30 years in various locations with the US Fish and Wildlife Service I am what I am and I see what I see. All of these things are relevant to what I am about to report to you.

Although the First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech and free assembly, many of the things I saw and heard could only be characterized as inciting mayhem. Many of the people making presentations crossed state lines to get there and there were numerous inferences, suggestions, and encouragements to commit violent and unlawful acts of major magnitudes.

ARRIVAL AND REGISTRATION

Walking through the parking lot each day revealed an abundance of bumper stickers. Most referred to veganism in varying intensities. The eventual imposition of veganism nationwide was the most common. Other stickers referred to resisting globalism, disrupting NAFTA, outlawing circuses, outlawing rodeos, stopping fishing, stopping hunting, stopping dogracing, protesting at Seattle and Quebec, intimidating the World Bank, and outlawing all fur and leather.

The exhibit area inside lay between the registration desk and the conference rooms. Passing through the exhibits revealed an incredible range of protest topics. The following is a partial list of the handouts and publications:

How the international chemistry industry is killing poor people around the world.
How President Bush is using religion to kill our Constitution.
Why we must stop the war on drugs.
How the World Bank is being forced to meet the demands of protesters.
Why we should teach children not to be ashamed of their bodies.
How all religions were originally vegan.
Ending the use of animals in research, testing, and education.
Stopping the use of animals for meat, eggs, and dairy products.
Spiritual Communication with animals.
Using animal communicators.
What would Jesus eat today.
Stopping logging in the Philippines.
How President Bush is oppressing minorities.
Why we shouldn’t eat bananas, chocolate, or beef or use coffee.
How to stop union busting in Haiti.
Boycotting McDonalds, Macy’s, Anheuser Busch, and the Back Bay Restaurant Group.
Why criminals start out as animal abusers.
What’s wrong with - leather, hunting, seafood, fur, meat, etc.
Protesting in Solidarity with the U’wa People.
The Global Sweatshop Coalition.
Ending Procter and Gamble Testing on animals.
Internships for animal rights, indigenous rights, anti-sweatshop, and anti-fur.
Internship for DIRECT ACTION/CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

There were more things here but space is limited. I mention these to give the reader a taste of the atmosphere at this conference.

VIDEO PRESENTATIONS AND SESSIONS

Videos were constantly being shown. The following selections represent the flavor of those presentations.

IGNITING A REVOLUTION. A sympathetic primer by radical environmental and animal activists on “ecotage”.
SEXUAL POLITICS OF MEAT. Carol Adams, feminist-vegetarian author.
ANIMAL LIBERATION: THE MOVIE. ALF raids on British laboratories and factory farms.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH HUNTING. By Buffalo Bills Coach Marv Levy.
PUPPY MILL EXPOSE. BY actor Charlize Theron.
THE REAL LIFE OF CIRCUS ANIMALS. By Ali McGraw.
GREAT AMERICAN MEATOUT. BY Ed Asner.
MONEY AND MYTHS. How state wildlife agencies fail to protect wildlife.
THE BURGER KING CAMPAIGN. By Dan Rather.
AUSTRALIA FACTORY FARM RAIDS.
There were many others on trapping, chicken farms, the cowboy image, etc.

There were four concurrent sessions throughout the days. Here are selections from the program.
WHEN IS KILLING OK? (attacking animals? Unwanted dogs & cats? Fetuses or babies?)
WHAT RIGHTS? WHICH ANIMALS? (Should intelligence matter?)
GETTING ATTENTION (Legally) (effective use of street demonstrations)
GETTING ATTENTION (Otherwise) (CD’s, disruptions, banner drops, rescues, phone/web siege, destruction)
ANIMAL SPIRITUALITY (communicating with animals)
HOW BROAD OUR ETHICS? (Can we justify lying, cheating, stealing, subordinating other social goals?)
ANIMAL VICTIMHOOD (Commonality of oppression of animals, children, women, minorities)
WINNING HEARTS AND MINDS (changing behavior through feelings and beliefs)
YOUR SON OR THE RAT? (whose life do we value?)
ROLE OF VIOLENCE
DIRECT TACTICS (economic and peer pressure, physical threats)
ENACTING FEDERAL LEGISLATION (issues, coalitions, legislators and committees)
HOW CAN WE ALL GET TOGETHER? (what are the opportunities and obstacles? What are the steps?)
ENACTING STATE AND LOCAL LAWS
WHAT PRICE SOLIDARITY? (when should we tolerate damaging tactics or statements by other leaders?)
WHAT PRICE ANIMAL LIBERATION? (how far should we go to liberate animals? What should be off limits?)
MEDICINE CAMPAIGNS (Huntingdon, Coulston, OPRC, Procter & Gamble, WWAIL)
OUTREACH TO WOMEN AND MINORITIES
OUTREACH TO RELIGION
COMPANION CAMPAIGNS (property, puppy mills, spay/neuter, no-kill, Korean dogs)

THINGS HEARD IN THE SESSIONS

I could only attend one fourth of the sessions because there were four presented at a time in four locations. I can only say that those I did attend ranged from very old rhetoric about trapping and hunting to scary references to the violent change of our form of government. There were reportedly over a thousand attendees. Many were my age and boasted about starting in the Vietnam protests. Many of the middle-aged attendees boasted of other protest movement experience on behalf of radical feminism, the environment, and oppressed workers and minorities. About a third of the attendees were under 25. Many of these were heavily tattooed and made liberal use of metal rings through various body parts. My guess would be that half of them were attending their first such conference. In my opinion, they were being scrutinized by many of the sponsors and session instructors. They were encouraged to meet with instructors later in hallways and at dinner if they were interested in learning “more” about what was discussed and the things only alluded to. It appeared to be a bazaar for inducting young people into terrorist activities. Keep this in mind as you read the following excerpts from sessions which I attended.

GENERAL COMMENTS

Animals are like exploited workers and prisoners.
WTO demonstrations helped to save turtles.
Oppressed people are like labor and environmental supporters.
Pollution is just like police brutality. Use it as an excuse to demonstrate and forge coalitions.
Abortion rights activists can help to involve the women’s movement and the lesbian/gay activists.
An eco-feminist ethicist ranted against patriarchy and the “Miss Vegan” contests.
A German leftist studied right wing extremism. He concludes- People in power exploit, oppress, and exclude. Speciesism is racist and right wing like Nazism talked about Slavs. Invading Russia was like invading the wilderness. Nazism today is the animal users who enslave and kill animals like slave laborers who were “hunted” for sport by Nazis.
Competition establishes inequality and oppression.
Guns must be eliminated from society.
Anyone with a gun wants to kill.

ON TACTICS

I’ve been arrested six times and I still teach at my University.
Some places like San Francisco will never prosecute you for anything.
Put bricks through widows to intimidate wives and children.
Baseball bats when they pull into their driveways have a way of discouraging people.
Sometimes you have to “blow [censored] up”.
Some people should be “blown up”.
Bomb threats at key moments in England have won the day for us.
Harass business acquaintances on the golf course and their neighbors.
Break up stockholder meetings and company parties.
Here’s how to find out where people live.
There is “other” stuff that I will be glad to tell you about in the hall or after the dinner.
There are no consequences of arrest.
Break-ins, destroying property (fire, etc.) is all justified since society refuses to protect animals.
Make things as costly as you can.
I’m proud of all my arrests.
Propagandize and energize the young, especially radicals in their teens and twenties who will take risks.
Institute demonstrations and maximize disruptions and publicity. Use “comely” people as spokespersons and always appear rational and reasonable.
Coordinate harassment by any means that destroys key businesses, business leaders, and other opponents.
Lying, cheating, destruction, and “anything else” are justified since society won’t listen and the laws are against us.
The end justifies the means.
Stress victimhood. Racism equals Sexism equals Speciesism.
Women and blacks had to chip into men’s rights. Now animals are chipping in also.
“Person” is not just humans.
The privilege of “whiteness” equals privilege over animals.
Attack history notions and focus on our progressive enlightenment on all these matters.
Break up traditions and change the status quo to where we are in charge.
Disrupt lawmaking that threatens us at any level.
European culture is our enemy.
White males must be suppressed.
The Huntingdon Life Sciences model from England can serve American activists as an example of what to do.
No one owns a pet. We are guardians only. The whole man/pet relationship needs to be revamped.

NOTE: There were many comments about cockfighting in states that still permit it, dogracing, meat, eggs, dairy products, animal research, and other matters that resemble the foregoing but are simply redundant and too much for this already extensive report.

ON RELIGION

Focus on progressive Churches.
I’m a Buddhist but I speak at every progressive Church that will let me.
Manipulate progressive Christians, Jews, and others.
Assert that all early Churches were vegan.
Identify and support vegan ministers and other religious leaders.
One humane leader compared himself to Mother Theresa. He, like she, “could save X many more animals per day or week if he had X more dollars”.
Go beyond dogma. Go beyond religion. Enter the circle of life.
Unity and Unitarian Churches are good bets to turn people to veganism.
We are establishing a vegan-spiritual based society.
We may soon convert the Dalai Lama to veganism.
Tell people that we all come to this planet from somewhere.
Saint Francis and Suma Ching How support us.
The religious issue is really the health/ethics/spirituality issue.
Christian tradition has been adulterated.
Beware of hierarchical priests.
Utilize professional animal communicators who engage in telepathic communication with animals. Establish conversations with “the other side” (meaning the dead).
Animal souls fit with all religions.


ON COALITIONS

Read Angela Davis.
Talk about dietary racism.
Establish solidarity with women of color.
Be very careful that you don’t get a Clarence Thomas.
Stress solidarity with all progressive movements.
People of color are at great risk around hunters and trappers.
Get whites upset, this energizes minorities.
Anti-nuclear protesters share our goals as do people against slave labor and those against using the third world to grow our food.
Always keep an eye out for free floating radicals who can help.
Globalization is the issue to forge coalitions around. (Cheers)
Preach solidarity with unions, minorities, feminists, and gay/lesbians. Animals equal the Holocaust equals child abuse.



ON HUNTING

New Jersey is running out of kids indoctrinated to hunt.
Training kids with guns endangers everyone.
Stress issues that divide hunters like “canned” hunts.
Dog hunting and baiting also divide hunters so use these topics.
Hunters are already divided, keep dividing them.
Oppose all right to subsistence hunting by indigenous people.
Use kites, recordings, bullhorns, and “other” things. This last comment brought a titter of laughs from many of the young people.
Hunters want to kill bears in New Jersey and we saved the bears.
Hunter Constitutional Rights at the state level are funny. They are a placebo to hunters and just put control in state legislatures which we will soon control.
The restrictions on ballot initiatives in Utah must be fought anywhere that they pop up.
Hunters are getting old. Pretty soon they will just disappear.
We are successful in getting to children early in school so they learn to hate hunting.
We need to work more with the UN to bring more animals under their control.


ON FISHING

PETA has cracked the wholesomeness of fishing. This will deter families and help us with the wholesome labels of other animal uses.
Always deal with sport fishing and commercial fishing bans separately.
Fishermen are tools of international businesses.
All killing of fish must be stopped.
PETA is proud to be forcing the Boy Scouts to drop their fishing and wildlife management merit badges. They are proud to be in solidarity with others who are trying to change that indoctrination organization.

TRAPPING AND FUR

Confront anyone wearing fur and intimidate them.
Use any tactics to put fur stores out of business.
Confront people wearing fur trim.
Embarrass fur wearers in front of their friends and at places where they wear fur.
Personalize the animals to children and the public.
Trappers are dying out.
The propaganda about animal control is all lies. No animals need to be controlled.
Predators must all be protected and allowed to spread everywhere.
Europe and especially England is way ahead of us here. The Labor Party is very sympathetic.

ON CIRCUSES AND RODEOS

Cowboys are all sissies. Confront them and they run.
Take concealed videos to circuses and try to get footage of what goes on.
Get local ordinances passed that make it more expensive and more difficult to put on performances.
Identify and support local law enforcement vegans and sympathizers.

ON ANIMAL RIGHTS

The NARAL representative described how she is working with and supporting the Great Ape Project. The only goal is to obtain legal rights for apes as the crack in the wall for all other animals (like abortion, endangered species, and gun control).

ON POLITICIANS

Since industry bribes politicians anything we do to get political support is good.
Remember that we have friends who are not Democrat. Senator Smith (R-NH) and Senator Jeffords (I-VT) are two of our best friends.
Our new PAC will be an umbrella for all of us to give money directly to those we favor and to defeat those who are not our friends. We look forward to a large PAC.
We have eliminated several enemies like Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA).
Eighty percent of the people are “assholes”.
If we can control 11% of the voters we can win control.
Clinton didn’t do enough for us.
Bush is an enemy to all of us. (Cheers)
If 2% of the voters are ours, we can succeed beyond our wildest dreams.

ON FEDERAL CONTROLS

The Animal Welfare Act is the vehicle for expansion and amendments that we had hoped it would be.
The Federal Bear Protection Act proposed by Senator McConnell (R-KY) will transfer control of bears from the state to the Federal government.
We control the Federal Congress and the Federal bureaucracy now. In a few years we will control the state legislatures too.
Get supporters in Federal agencies and work together.
We need Federal laws over dogs and cats.
Training dogs for security, hunting, and performing must be controlled by the Federal government.
Most Federal legislators are pro-animal rights and soon most state legislators will be too.
Federal controls break the back of the state fish and wildlife agencies that are pro-hunting.
State agencies are enemies.

These selected comments are but a few of what I heard over five days. The more explosive sessions were avoided by the leaders and lawyers. Often hands were put over microphones and comments from spontaneous participants were not audible but caused considerable chuckling. I shudder to think about those things which they didn’t mention but invited participants to ask about “in the hall” or “after dinner”. The sessions held anywhere from 50 to 200 people, depending on the topic, and not once was anything questioned.

At one point I felt as if I was attending a communist training program back in the 50’s or 60’s for a cadre of insurgents to be sent into a country to be subverted. Some are trained to control the media, others to influence politicians and control bureaucracies, still others to control religion and schools, demonstrators were to disrupt things, and others to do the “other things” that ultimately underpin all the rest. Frightening is too weak a word to describe what it is like to watch this take place in a luxury hotel in a free country.

We all owe a debt of gratitude to John Jackson of Conservation Force for having the persistence to have me attend this Conference. Everyone who reads this should share it with your family, your neighbors, your associates and everyone else you come in contact with each day. All of us, whether or not we are concerned directly with one of these animal issues should understand what is happening and protect the traditions and rights of all of us whether or not we are an absolute majority. Allowing these tactics and organizations to succeed threatens all of us in every way.


Jim Beers
10 July 2001





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   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #32  
Careful what you say, I'm an animal lover. I especially like the cute little ones, fried with a little gravy on top.

I heard someone remark that all the deep important discussions at the PETA meeting really worked up an apetite so they adjourned and went for pizza. I wonder if the cheese was make from milk a cow willingly donated or "milked itself". Peperoni? Surely the anchovy has rights too. I am distressed to consider the pain experienced by the onion and bell pepper, there lives literally cut short by the unfeeling chef's knife. The pain is too great, I need a ham sandwich.

Patrick
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #33  
Nah, couldn't be. Better check that with Glueguy, it is probably an urban legend or at best a hoax, surely your state would not prosecute a guy for defending his property from an errant animal whose owner was clearly negligent.

Patrick
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #34  
Sounds a lot like the gun control advocates strategies to me. SLOWLY erode the right. "Oh, this little ruling will be so helpful, and really won't affect you" kind of thing.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #35  
Sorry to be a spoil-sport....

You should really take heed to the message posted by cowboydoc. I have a full-fledged PETA card-carrying vegan living next to me and he echos what was stated in that message. These guys are for real. They mean business!!! No holds barred. PETA and other "righteous" organizations are out to change life as we know it.

They call themselves progressives (new key word for extreme liberals, oh hell, call it like it is, socialists). They wish to change things gradually. Work in local, state, and federal government by changing laws and statutes. Becoming ministers with progressive churches. Becoming teachers (the more subtle, but sinister approach). By protesting (wearing the masses down). By terrorism (the most hideous approach).

From a Constitutional view, everyone should be able to speak their minds and live their lifestyles. I think no one could argue against that!! However, if you examine what these people are doing (organizing, planning, and executing), I believe it is as close to organized crime or anarchy as anyone could imagine. With that in mind, why can't government use the justice system to investigate under the organized crime statues (can't remember the name of the law). I believe that they are being watched, but why not use the full extent of the law.

The other issue I have with the entire organized left is where do they get there money!!! If you look back through history, someone always funded these fringe groups. Look at the history of John Brown, he had the ideas and was funded by rich eastern liberal elements. Once Brown was caught and convicted, these people basically crawled back into the woodwork and we not prosecuted. Hmmmm...

We try to insulate ourselves from these fringe elements. But, we can't, because they want to be in your face. The PETA guy living next me has given up on trying to convince my to become a vegan. We grow fruits and vegatable and he buys them from us. He has three acres of his own and refuses to grow his own organic food. Now, you go figure on this one. He will drive 30-50 miles to buy food from the politically correct stores. He is a teacher, but will not teach in Washington County Maryland because it is too conservative. He knows that he can only exist as a teacher in the Montgomery County Maryland school system. The Washington County system would not like his style. Words from his own mouth. I just had to laugh and shake my head. So the guy has to commute 75 miles one way to work, one-way, during the school year. Go figure!! The thought processes and ideas of these people is bankrupt. Maybe there is something that I just don't understand!!!!!

When you meet one, stir the pot with one. Don't argue, just stir the pot. I guarantee that they will just shut up and walk away.

Terry
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #36  
Sorry if anyone was bugged. It isn't that I didn't already know everything you told me including most of the neighbor stuff which is a repeat, in part. I get it. I just don't know what to do about it, legally. I too am NOT a conspiracy theorist. Much of this is not theory or conjecture, but fact. Certain religious types (of the genre that shoot abortionists) are very active politically and are packing the school boards as well as runing for lower offices. The plan is to work the system to work their will on us whether we want it, like it, or oppose it. PETA and a whole litany of other organizations are doing the same thing. Why? Because they can and because it works.

End of speach: Pundits will now take three times the time to explain what was said altough it was clear to everyone with an I.Q. above a wilted weed.

Patrick (desiging a press to press his pears to make pear cider cause he doesn't have apple trees, yet.)
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #37  
Federal law already will put you in prison for up to a year if you capture, convert, kill, sell, process or sell the dead remains, or even harass a wild horse or burro.

<font color=blue>UNITED STATES CODE
TITLE 16. CONSERVATION
CHAPTER 30. WILD HORSES, AND BURROS:
PROTECTION, MANAGEMENT, AND CONTROL

§ 1331. Congressional findings and declaration of policy
Congress finds and declares that wild free-roaming horses and burros are living symbols of the historic and pioneer spirit of the West; that they contribute to the diversity of life forms within the Nation and enrich the lives of the American people; and that these horses and burros are fast disappearing from the American scene. It is the policy of Congress that wild free-roaming horses and burros shall be protected from capture, branding, harassment, or death; and to accomplish this they are to be considered in the area where presently found, as an integral part of the natural system of the public lands.

§ 1338. Criminal provisions
(a) Violations; penalties; trial. Any person who--

(1) willfully removes or attempts to remove a wild free-roaming horse or burro from the public lands, without authority from the Secretary, or

(2) converts a wild free-roaming horse or burro to private use, without authority from the Secretary, or

(3) maliciously causes the death or harassment of any wild free-roaming horse or burro, or

(4) processes or permits to be processed into commercial products the remains of a wild free-roaming horse or burro, or

(5) sells, directly or indirectly, a wild free-roaming horse or burro maintained on private or leased land pursuant to section 4 of this Act [16 USCS § 1334], or the remains thereof, or

(6) willfully violates a regulation issued pursuant to this Act [16 USCS §§ 1331 et seq.],

shall be subject to a fine of not more than $ 2,000, or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both. </font color=blue>

Why have 535 federal legislators passed such a law? Because they are vegans? Because they were influenced by 1000 vegans whooping it up at some conference? No. It's because they recognize that man, in a collective orgy of excess and greed, has historically slaughtered and even eradicated entire species of animals for fun and profit. The legislators obviously feel the the vast majority of their constituents believe that such conduct detracts from, rather than enhances, contemporary American society and cultural values.
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #38  
Patrick, no smirking at Glue Guy. In the Peoples Republic of North California you only get one year in jail for kicking someone else's cat. In the non-vegan cowboy state of Oklahoma, you get five years for kicking your own cat.

<font color=blue>OKLAHOMA STATUTES
TITLE 21. CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS
PART VII. CRIMES AGAINST PROPERTY
CHAPTER 67. INJURIES TO ANIMALS
s 1685. Cruelty to animals

Any person who shall willfully or maliciously overdrive, overload, torture, destroy or kill, or cruelly beat or injure, maim or mutilate, any animal in subjugation or captivity, whether wild or tame, and whether belonging to himself or to another, or deprive any such animal of necessary food, drink or shelter; or who shall cause, procure or permit any such animal to be so overdriven, overloaded, tortured, destroyed or killed, or cruelly beaten or injured, maimed or mutilated, or deprived of necessary food, drink or shelter; or who shall willfully set on foot, instigate, engage in, or in any way further any act of cruelty to any animal, or any act tending to produce such cruelty, shall be punished by imprisonment in the penitentiary not exceeding five (5) years....</font color=blue>
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #39  
Evolution types spew all the "survival of the fittest species" crap in class rooms and ivory towers but do everything possible to prevent it from occurring in nature.

Look at Klamath Falls in Idaho, denying water to farmers and their herds so some #$@! sucker fish can survive. Well, if it ain't the fittest species, it should die out. Either Darwin is right or he isn't. Put all your natural selection beliefs on the line, then we'll find out what you really believe.

By the way - spotted owl, bald eagle and sucker fish all taste like chicken.
 
   / Planet of the Apes may not be too far off! #40  
glenmac, How about some equal time and more in depth reporting? What is the equivalent California statute and more inportantly, how many folks have been prosecuted in each of the states for violation of the equivalent statutes?

?????????
or who shall willfully set on foot, instigate, engage in, or in any way further any act of
cruelty to any animal
???????????

I wonder how to interpret that? "set on foot" as in "make walk" as opposed to hitchin' a ride? If they meant abandonment or "dumping" wouldn't they have said so? The rest is pretty clear lalnguage interpretable by anyone with a 6th grade education.


I wonder if animals within my fenced boundaries could be considered "in captivity?" If so my neighbor shooting coyotes while they are on my property is a viloation of this statute. Oh, well, probably just wishful thinking.

I wasn't smirking or about to smirk at the glueguy for several reasons 1. he is a neat dude, 2. neither he nor I wrote nor passed either state's statutes on this topic, 3. I have lived in CA more than OK (dual citizenship but I'm thinking of relinguisnhing my CA status).

W E L L He might run the Urban Legend flag up the pole more than I would but he's still a neat dude.

Patrick ("Can't we all just get along?", Rodney King)
 

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