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Those are two pretty different rating machines, what do you plan on doing with them? How often do you plan on using them? If there was just one brand to buy, there would be no others, right? :) So what do you value?

I'm looking at a smaller Everlast (60) as it's probably the best value.

I think if you interviewed professional welders/fabricators/etc., Hypertherm would come out as the #1 plasma cutter overall. Thermal Dynamics would be one of the better at a lower price point than Hypertherm.
 
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I plan to cut steel:laughing: Like most of us here I just a hobby, I have a 2k budged I am still looking
 
/ Plasma cutter #4  
What thickness do you think you'll usually be working with? What's the maximum thickness you want to be able to sever? Will you be doing a lot of dragging? Gouging? Piercing?

For $1000 you can get a nice 60A Everlast with another grand left over for consumables, steel, project parts, etc... but it may or may not meed the needs you haven't identified? :)
 
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I will be working with 10gauge to 1/4 the most, I do have some projects in mind that would require some 1" plate.
 
/ Plasma cutter #6  
ive had my Hypertherm Powermax 1000 in operation for nearly 9 years ( purchased 2005) without ANY issues what so ever. Not a glitch...not a hickup.

Does an amazing job ... cut up to 1" thick with it. With the fine consumable option i also cut 20g steel clean and sharp.
 
/ Plasma cutter #7  
I have a powermax45. Had it three years or so. No problems and is an awesome machine. I can't remember what I paid for it three years ago but I smile everytime I use it. I did a lot of cutting on 3/4" material this week and no problems. I can't comment on other brands as I have not used them but the power max is good stuff.
 
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I bought the Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 42 and it has been great for about 6 months. I have had a couple of the cutmates and they where "OK", but hard to beat the price on the TD, especially with the bi-power set up. I have used it of my Miller Bobcat 250 welder/gen and it ran flawless in the field cutting "R" panel for a shop.

Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 42 Plasma Cutter 1-4200
 
/ Plasma cutter #9  
The PP100 will cut about any plate you come up to. Reliability has been excellent and problems almost non existent. We have a good many units sold in factory production. It's a quite seller because many of them go into industrial and factory settings rather than homeowners or small shops. We've been selling this basic model since 2008. First ones had needle style gauges. If the budget allows, and the power exists, it's hard to go wrong. IIRC, one place has seven or eight of them running. It's HF model, but it has been one of our best kept secrets.
 
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Mark,

Are your plasma cutters compatible with the computer cutting tables using steeper motors.

What would command the plasma cutter to activate when you start the cut, and do you have air and arc instantly.
 
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J_J, I am not the CNC expert. But we have several options. Our Powerplasma 50, 60S, 70S, and 80S have a CNC port on the rear for interfacing with standard signals, and choices of divided arc voltage for THC and OK to move signals. They are CNC compatable, and use a non HF design blowback . Our 60C which is set up for CNC only cutting is CNC safe, but uses a special HV, inductor type start. It is more rapid and instant cut and pierce. The blowback design involves a slight delay. Not much, but a slight one. Our manuals have CNC information located in the rear. Here is a link to it. http://www.everlastgenerators.com/downloads/PowerPlasma 2013.pdf
 
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I have a Hypertherm 45 and so does my brother. I can't recommend it enough. I bought it a year ago and it is still on the same set of consumables. Setting the air pressure is super easy also-just turn the knob until the LED lights up green. The gauge feature comes in really handy if you need to take something apart.
 
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What is the difference between high frequency and blow back? Does the HF on the PP100 cause interference?
 
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DXN1EL said:
What is the difference between high frequency and blow back? Does the HF on the PP100 cause interference?

It refers to the way the plasma arc is started. HF start may cause problems with computers and other electronic equipment, so it isn't used for CNC cutting as often.
Blowback uses air pressure to move the electrode away from the nozzle to start the arc.
 
/ Plasma cutter #15  
For general use HF is fine. It's a fast start, especially with a pilot arc like the PP100 has. But if you have it connected to a computerized cutting system, will need to be shielded. We do have people doing it successfully, but it takes a little work. Larger CNC systems these days typically have shielding. Blow back technology to my knowledge is usually limited to 125 amps or less, though there may be some developments I am not aware of.
 
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All of the production cutting plasmas running on a real CNC controller are HF. None of the PC (personal computer) units like Plasma Cam, Small Torch Mates and a million others are due to no way to shield HF. It just isn't compatible with PC machines. The smaller non HF units on the small tables can do a good job depending on what you are looking for. Most interface cables are the same or similar and they only control start ,stop and OK to move. That's all you need so yes, If you have a way to hook in an interface cable to the main board or an interface amphenol on the back you are all set to hook a small plasma to a CNC or PC based controller.
 
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High Frequency starting is a high voltage discharge between the nozzle and the electrode in a plasma torch.....think of the spark on a spark plug in a gasoline engine. The plasma gas (usually air) passes through this discharge, causing the gas to increase in temperature to its ionization temperature. When air reaches ionization it become electrically conductive....and then provides a path from the negative electride through the nozzle (some call it a tip) orifice to the workpiece (material to be cut). Once the DC arc is started the high frequency voltage turns off. the high frequency voltage level is usually in the 15,000 volt rang in order to add enough energy to get the plasma process started. This type of voltage near sensitive electronic equipment can couple to low voltage signal lines (computer and drive electronics) causing computer crashes and even internal damage to electronics.

Blowback starting, developed and patented by Hypertherm (the worlds largest producer of plasma cutting equipment) completely eliminates the need for high frequency. This system uses a moving electrode (spring loaded) that creates a short circuit DC spark inside the torch, reliably and immediately ionizing the air to get the process started. Because it just uses the plasma power supplies DC energy output it does not create electrical noise that will disrupt computers, cnc machines and other sensitive electronics.

High frequency continues to be used on older technology air plasma cutting systems (and newer, low cost imports), as well as on high end industrial cnc plasma machines that are robustly designed to work with high frequency starting. (high frequency is needed on larger torches ....between 130 and 1000 amps for more reliable starting at these higher power levels).

Take a good look at the existing plasma cutting systems on the market. If this is a tool you plan to keep in your shop and use for many years it is wise to look at the major brands that engineer and build plasma systems in theri own factories, companies that have been in business for a while. Don't just look at the price, rather look at the performance (cut thickness, cut quality, consumable parts life), look at the operators manual. If the system comes with a legible manual with many pages of cut charts, cutting recommendations, detailed parts breakdowns and even multi pages of troubleshooting, as well as toll free contact information for the factory that built it.....then you know you are getting a good product that will be supported and hav parts availability for many years to come. These units will prove to be less costly over time.

By the way...the operators manual for the Hypertherm Powermax45 is about 100 pages long....about 12 pages of cut charts with cut speed, cut height, arc voltage information that will help you cut with precision and long consumable life. All Powermax45's from Hypertherm are equipped with Easy to interface CPC connectors for CNC macine wiring, and have quick disconnect torches for both hand and machine cutting.

Jim Colt Hypertherm


What is the difference between high frequency and blow back? Does the HF on the PP100 cause interference?
 
/ Plasma cutter #18  
Bought a Hypertherm 45 a year ago and I cant imagine doing fabrication processes anymore without it. I've cut much more than what its rated for as well, 3/4 didn't seem like too huge of a deal, just have to go slower. A **** of a lot faster than a cutting torch.
 
/ Plasma cutter #19  
Wouldn't the PP80 be a better fit? Even if you have 3 phase in your shop you will have zero portability with a 3 phase machine. The PP80 also has blowback start and a better price.
 
/ Plasma cutter #20  
My Powermax 1000 (hypertherm) back in 2005.... for around $2300 bucks. wasnt cheap, but you get what you pay for. Havnt had any issues with it. Easy to use, easy to couple with cnc, easy to find consumables.

Does everything ive ever asked of it.

can cut 1-1/4" plate on down to 20ga . Whats not to like
 

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