Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor.

   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor.
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#11  
I don't see why it couldn't be done. As long as it was gutted and you could get the sensors to read 0% on the DPF all the time but there may be way more to it than that. It's not like it's a car that some states require inspection, not yet that is.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor. #12  
I don't see why it couldn't be done. As long as it was gutted and you could get the sensors to read 0% on the DPF all the time but there may be way more to it than that. It's not like it's a car that some states require inspection, not yet that is.

Of course, Kubota would use that as an excuse to void your warranty and deny any warranty claims. Everything comes with a cost.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor.
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#13  
Of course, Kubota would use that as an excuse to void your warranty and deny any warranty claims. Everything comes with a cost.

I'd never attempt something like that until it was out of warranty.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor. #14  
Isn't the MX5200 the one that has 2 new owners with freezing problems resulting in damaged engines in the owning operating section?

Hopefully all of the ones sold from now on out will have the update kit installed... or this might be a good reason to save some money and get a 5100 model
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor. #15  
I don't see why it couldn't be done. As long as it was gutted and you could get the sensors to read 0% on the DPF all the time but there may be way more to it than that. It's not like it's a car that some states require inspection, not yet that is.

we've talked with the engineers about this. They say it would be very complex and difficult to pull off. With the limited market for such modifications, I don't think it will be to anyones benefit to work that out.

Now what I would like to see, would be kits for tractors like the B2650 and L2501 that are low HP, non-DPF models. You could boost these up much easier than trying to do a DPF delete.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor. #17  
Antique fuel injection systems on the older engines didn't change much in 70 years so it's easy to work on. My father owned an International Harvester dealership from 1939 to 1952. I still have his last service manual - it covered all tractors in one book. The diesel injection system in the 1951 WD-9 is not much different than the systems before they started improving fuel burn, but that varies by model. For example, the fuel injection pressure on the WD-9 differs little from that of my L5740 (reference workshop manuals on both). Remembering our TD-6, TD-9, and some WD-9s dad sold, the smoke output is similar. Never have found a good cleaner to get the soot off the loader frame of the L5740. Once when I finished talking to my partner and started my engine forgetting he was standing near the exhaust discharge, the blast of smoke from tarting triggered an asthma attack - fortunately he had is emergency inhaler. To clean the exhaust most have gone to a high pressure pump capable of about 30,000 psi (book value on my L5740 is 2,400 psi) which breaks the droplets into a much finer size but requires precision manufacturing and clean fuel. In addition the injectors now incorporate a piezoelectric control that allows multiple injections as the piston strokes, but the simple old injectors gave one good pfft and that was it. It relied on swirling air to distribute the fire/heat that expands the air pressing on the piston. In automobile terms the old fuel system is not unlike a Model T carburetor as compared to today's individual direct injectors. Like a Model T the older diesels are relatively easy to work on but remember that black smoke is unburned hydrocarbons, the fuel you payed for, going out the exhaust. Not saying a DPF cleaning exhaust particles means all those $$$ are saved because they end up in the DPF. The DPF, however, is not capable of handling the massive amounts of soot produced by older technology injection systems. There will be growing pains just like the auto industry went through. My first fuel injected cars were 1988 and 1989 Pontiacs and the injectors were not durable but the fuel economy gain over the cars they replaced was impressive. Now my latest cars and my pickup have double the miles those first injected cars had and still no problem. So if you don't feel comfortable with a DPF, I understand there are still plenty of old style tractors sitting around. Some say, however, they command a premium price. From personal experience, however, that gas not proved to be true. When I wanted to trade my L5740 on a L6060, the dealer me a worse deal than he did when I traded a 10 year old L3710 on my L5740.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor.
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I've finally found a dealer that has 2 MX5100 HST's but is still quite a ways away and we will be paying them a visit this week to see what kind of deal we can cut.

My wife has been reading over this thread and threads I posted elsewhere trying to convince them they need to move on this now and not wait if they want to stay away from the DPF. This tractor will be operated in sheds and stables with hay and straw and like the L3940 will have a constant intake of hay dust, radiator screen can get clogged in no time, and unless it's going to be turned off and on 5 or 6 times a day in a 30-45 minute period everyday it sounds like there's going to be a lot leaving the throttle turned up. Will also not be unusual to run it hard loading a 155 bushel manure spreader sometimes 15-20 in a given period or cleaning a concrete cow lot of about 6000-8000 sq.ft.

I appreciate all the great info on this. I hope and I'm sure many others do also that with time this will get worked out and something better to control the emissions will come along, it happened with road vehicles after many years of trial and error. We did look at the Mahindra's briefly with their DOC system but this is a full time working cattle farm with 2 full-time employees, wife and son and the equipment here needs to ready and willing at all times. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Mahindras but when you're on a lot with tractors leaking and drawbars not even installed correctly it makes on wonder what kind of service dept. the dealer has.

If anyone has anything else to add it would be greatly appreciated.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor. #19  
Quote "Never have found a good cleaner to get the soot off the loader frame of the L5740."


1 cup white wall cleaner to 1 qt. water, then wipe with very wet rag.
 
   / Please help me explain why someone should buy a non-DPF tractor.
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#20  
Diluted Purple Power will clean that black it off our L3940 loader. Usually cut it 50/50, some of that stuff will take paint off full strength. I've thought about elbowing the exhaust down just to get it to stop.
 

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