POLL: Should Teachers Be Armed with Guns?

[Soundguy]

One of the best classes I took in High School was called Comparative Religions.

I took that as well.. was a great class.. gave me lots of insite why people of other faiths / races act differently in different situations..

Soundguy

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Do normal people with background checks by the government crack?

Well everyone has the potential to "crack" under some situations. One would simply have to look at the postal workers who went "postal" to see that. There are also plenty of exampls of dirty cops, FBI agents who turned, and CIA agents who were double agents.

However simply this thread was worded, it really boils down to trying to protect kids. "Gun free schools zones" are obviously places where only criminals and police carry guns. So the question remains, perhaps phrased more rationally than the TV News poll worded it, it could ask something like this:

Should we allow teachers and school officials, who are authorized by their state, to be exempt from the gun free school zone laws, and therefore be allowed to carry a concealed weapon for the protection of themselves and their students?

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Now since "gun free school zones" are state laws, and since "CCW" laws are state laws, it would then be up to each state to determine how they want to qualify school employees for the exemption that allows them to carry and what other restrictions they might need to submit to to get this status.

 

[MossRoad]

As far as having the mental capacity...well, anyone who carries a CCW better have the mental capacity.

Well, I hate to start this, but just about everyone I have met here in my hometown that has a concealed carry permit also has a chip on their shoulder about something. Ouch! I know that's not going to go over too well, but that's the truth.

A CCW does absolutely nothing to train anyone for anything. No way, no how. Period. All it does is give you the right to carry a concealed weapon.

And as far as corporal punishment in schools go... I am a survivor of 12 years of Catholic school, where some of the penguins were blantant child beaters. I think it is best left to the parents to punish their children. If the child requires severe discipline, send them home to their parents and let them decide the punishment. I would not want someone else spanking my child. That's up to me.

 

[riptides]

Of course they do, how would getting a background check prevent someone from 'cracking' (whatever that means).

Because in these discussions, basic human controls regarding "normal" are always open for debate and discussion. People always discuss, background checks, training, education, rights, etc. etc. as a point for rational gun debate.

The issue is not with guns and arming people, it is control of human nature in a split instance in a particular situation.

No one knows how anyone will react. You cannot guarantee anything.

So why introduce another yet another burden for teachers to shoulder?

They don't get paid enough as it is....

-Mike Z.

If you don't get the basic idea behind cracked it means fly off the handle and do something you would regret or remorse over later. That is if your "normal".

-Mike Z.

 

[riptides]

Well everyone has the potential to "crack" under some situations. One would simply have to look at the postal workers who went "postal" to see that. There are also plenty of exampls of dirty cops, FBI agents who turned, and CIA agents who were double agents.

However simply this thread was worded, it really boils down to trying to protect kids. "Gun free schools zones" are obviously places where only criminals and police carry guns. So the question remains, perhaps phrased more rationally than the TV News poll worded it, it could ask something like this:

Should we allow teachers and school officials, who are authorized by their state, to be exempt from the gun free school zone laws, and therefore be allowed to carry a concealed weapon for the protection of themselves and their students?

​

Now since "gun free school zones" are state laws, and since "CCW" laws are state laws, it would then be up to each state to determine how they want to qualify school employees for the exemption that allows them to carry and what other restrictions they might need to submit to to get this status.

It is a poorly worded discussion point. Your wording however is much better.

If the states want to allow it. Then fine. Go for it. But as a parent, within the school, I would like a regulation that allows me to gain information on which teacher is carrying concealed.

For the safety of my children and person, of course.

-Mike Z.

 

[MossRoad]

I took that as well.. was a great class.. gave me lots of insite why people of other faiths / races act differently in different situations..

Soundguy

Our priest and the representatives from the other religions had some great discussions about why they thought the other was incorrect, and they talked about many of the things that they totally agreed on. There were many more AGREE points than DISAGREE points. I got an overwhelming feeling of peace from that class. Most people are not out to get us.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

So why introduce another yet another burden for teachers to shoulder?

Mike, reading through the thread, most people do not suggest that we burden them with guns. Most replies seem to indicate that: IF they desire to, and IF they somehow qualify to, then they should be ALLOWED to carry a concealed weapon.

It is a poorly worded discussion point. Your wording however is much better.

If the states want to allow it. Then fine. Go for it. But as a parent, within the school, I would like a regulation that allows me to gain information on which teacher is carrying concealed.

For the safety of my children and person, of course.

-Mike Z.

Mike, please realize that SOME state already allow it concealed weapons to be carried in schools by teacher, parents, etc. Not every state has "gun free school zones" as those are state laws, not federal law. Some college campuses even allow students to carry concealed weapons. Bear in mind, 2 things must occur for the above things to happen legally . . . the state must not have "gun free school zone" laws, and the state must have CCW laws.

Also please realize that I simply worded the title of this thread the way the Dayton, OH TV station worded it. Very early on in the thread I suggested that its wording was very simplistic and perhaps confusing.

 

[MossRoad]

it could ask something like this:

Should we allow teachers and school officials, who are authorized by their state, to be exempt from the gun free school zone laws, and therefore be allowed to carry a concealed weapon for the protection of themselves and their students?

​

Now since "gun free school zones" are state laws, and since "CCW" laws are state laws, it would then be up to each state to determine how they want to qualify school employees for the exemption that allows them to carry and what other restrictions they might need to submit to to get this status.

If it was worded that way, I'd answer NO. Since no firearm training is required for a carry permit in our state, anyone that doesn't have a felony conviction or mental health history can get a carry permit. You, me, a teacher, the creepy loner down the street. No training = no carry in schools for me.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

If it was worded that way, I'd answer NO. Since no firearm training is required for a carry permit in our state, anyone that doesn't have a felony conviction or mental health history can get a carry permit. You, me, a teacher, the creepy loner down the street. No training = no carry in schools for me.

Moss, you omitted consideration of this part:

it would then be up to each state to determine how they want to qualify school employees for the exemption that allows them to carry and what other restrictions they might need to submit to to get this status.
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Now that part was not highlighted in blue, but was clearly added. Yes, here in Indiana where you and I live, CCW permits are easy to get. That does not mean that the state would simply say get a CCW and we will exempt you from the "gun free school zone" law.

 

[riptides]

Mike, reading through the thread, most people do not suggest that we burden them with guns. Most replies seem to indicate that: IF they desire to, and IF they somehow qualify to, then they should be ALLOWED to carry a concealed weapon.

No I understand that, you expose the root of the issue for me. Why would someone desire to carry a firearm? How does one qualify to carry a firearm?

One involves circumstances and a feeling of what? Personal safety? Control? Just because they can?

The other involves a trust that a person has been through a process. Personally, I don't trust some processes and most people to react for the betterment of self or situation.

Mike, please realize that SOME state already allow it concealed weapons to be carried in schools by teacher, parents, etc. Not every state has "gun free school zones" as those are state laws, not federal law. Some college campuses even allow students to carry concealed weapons. Bear in mind, 2 things must occur for the above things to happen legally . . . the state must not have "gun free school zone" laws, and the state must have CCW laws.

Also please realize that I simply worded the title of this thread the way the Dayton, OH TV station worded it. Very early on in the thread I suggested that its wording was very simplistic and perhaps confusing.

Understood on both points.
Second point is why I noted again, your wording.

TIA
-Mike Z.