ridgerunnerinwv
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The Gardener said:
The pipewrench sounds like a good idea,you have to be careful using the hydraulics to lift or you can bend the auger.
Post Hole Digger - if stuck
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The pipewrench sounds like a good idea,you have to be careful using the hydraulics to lift or you can bend the auger.
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runs slow in fact - 36 RPM or so. But much more force as a result. Which is why it can handle a 24" bit. But yes, it is reversible - thats a big part of the attraction.
see the pdf brochure here
http://www.mcmillenattachments.com/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=243&table=product&ext=pdf&name=Mc%20BROC%2075%20Series.pdf
Crazy mike - that's more or less how Messicks set mine up.
see the pdf brochure here
http://www.mcmillenattachments.com/_includes/fileblob.asp?I=243&table=product&ext=pdf&name=Mc%20BROC%2075%20Series.pdf
Crazy mike - that's more or less how Messicks set mine up.
hilld
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Charlesaf3 said:
Thanks for the info, I tried googling the unit and couldn't find a price, only specs. I already have a QA bucket and front hydraulics for my grapple, I need to call the bobcat dealer to see if they rent one, so I can "try before I buy". Usually they will credit you the rental fee towards a purchase so sometimes that works out just fine.
As far as speed, while it is slower, sometimes that is better. Similar to drilling in metal, you don't want high speed, as a matter of fact you want a lower speed combined with cooling so the bit doesn't overheat and does a better job of cutting. I do like the fact that you can put some serious downward pressure with the loader arms, compared to the gravity weight of a 3pt auger.
I did notice that on the McMillen site they had all sorts of augers, once especially for rock, have you seen that one? Does it work as advertised, I have a lot of rock, but would also be doing some "drilling" in just plain dirt. If they make an auger that is the jack of all trades, that would be something to look at.
Thanks for the info.
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Wow,
That hydraulic PHD you have is really good looking and seems rugged too. However, it's expensive when you add everything up. Looks like you got over $2200 with your set up, and that probably doesn't include a couple more hundred bucks for shipping (for a lot of us). If you don't have the front hydraulics, you're looking at another $1,000 bucks or so to get that set up too.
When I bought my Leinbach 7300 including auger, it cost me $400 as an add-on with the tractor purchase. That's a far cry from having your set up plus adding the tractor hydraulics up front. With that said, If I knew I was going to have front hydraulics set up, and a great need for the PHD, I might have considered it up front. I just didn't know any better then. Nevertheless, it's a lot of money altogether though. Since I already have one, it would take a lot to get another hydraulic one now.
About running the PHD, I find slower rpm to be better and safer. The pipe wrench is a good alternative if you are not in the business of installing post holes. I also try to ease the auger in to keep it from getting stuck. Going slow helps, but generally it's too late. I end up snapping the shear bolt before I realize it's getting stuck, even at slow speeds. Back to the thread question ... I wonder if I can build or buy a reversing tranny that hooks on to the tractor PTO? If it costs me $500 bucks, I'd be money ahead. I could buy all the posts and wire with the $2,000 bucks I've saved?
...Just a thought?
That hydraulic PHD you have is really good looking and seems rugged too. However, it's expensive when you add everything up. Looks like you got over $2200 with your set up, and that probably doesn't include a couple more hundred bucks for shipping (for a lot of us). If you don't have the front hydraulics, you're looking at another $1,000 bucks or so to get that set up too.
When I bought my Leinbach 7300 including auger, it cost me $400 as an add-on with the tractor purchase. That's a far cry from having your set up plus adding the tractor hydraulics up front. With that said, If I knew I was going to have front hydraulics set up, and a great need for the PHD, I might have considered it up front. I just didn't know any better then. Nevertheless, it's a lot of money altogether though. Since I already have one, it would take a lot to get another hydraulic one now.
About running the PHD, I find slower rpm to be better and safer. The pipe wrench is a good alternative if you are not in the business of installing post holes. I also try to ease the auger in to keep it from getting stuck. Going slow helps, but generally it's too late. I end up snapping the shear bolt before I realize it's getting stuck, even at slow speeds. Back to the thread question ... I wonder if I can build or buy a reversing tranny that hooks on to the tractor PTO? If it costs me $500 bucks, I'd be money ahead. I could buy all the posts and wire with the $2,000 bucks I've saved?
...Just a thought?
OP
The Gardener
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Thank You for the McMillen link. No doubt, you have made a GREAT selection for your PHD. Now that I understand the attachment better, there is no question that a "reverse direction" is a major plus. I would most certainly opt for the Hydraulic version.
Again, Thanks!
The Gardener
Again, Thanks!
The Gardener
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Expensive, true. But comparing it to a woods or such PHD it isn't as bad - much worse than leinbach or TSC though. But I decided the down pressure, reversing, fewer sheer pins sheered, greater power/torque, and having it on the front all made it worth it.
The ideal would be to rent it as needed, of course, but no one around me rents low flow bobcat stuff.
I'll post a review of it after I've used it for a while.
The ideal would be to rent it as needed, of course, but no one around me rents low flow bobcat stuff.
I'll post a review of it after I've used it for a while.
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I'm a newbie to compact tractors and have been lurking in TBN for a while ... trying to determine my implement requirements which will ultimately translate to requirements for a new tractor purchase. This thread caught my eye.
I plan to install a fence on land with rock, clay, and generally hard soil. I've determined that I'll need a hydraulic PHD for the reversable capability, and am interested in ensuring enough down-pressure. I've been tracking the FEL-attached hydraulic PHD idea, and know it'll work well. However, my concern is visibilty. How much visibilty do you really have with the PHD mounted to a FEL when the tractor-engine is in the way? If a tractor has a backhoe (hydraulics already available), I'd think the visibilty and placement-capability would be much much better with a BH-mounted hyrdaulic PHD. So, now this raises the issue of loss-of down-pressure.
Does anyone have any thoughts on pros/cons of FEL vs BH mounted hydraulic PHD attachments?
I plan to install a fence on land with rock, clay, and generally hard soil. I've determined that I'll need a hydraulic PHD for the reversable capability, and am interested in ensuring enough down-pressure. I've been tracking the FEL-attached hydraulic PHD idea, and know it'll work well. However, my concern is visibilty. How much visibilty do you really have with the PHD mounted to a FEL when the tractor-engine is in the way? If a tractor has a backhoe (hydraulics already available), I'd think the visibilty and placement-capability would be much much better with a BH-mounted hyrdaulic PHD. So, now this raises the issue of loss-of down-pressure.
Does anyone have any thoughts on pros/cons of FEL vs BH mounted hydraulic PHD attachments?
AlanB
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Just a thought for you guys,
Most folks on here have a "BIG" project to do with a PHD, then numerous smaller one's to do.
For our money, I would reccomend that you just get a fairly cheap, standard 3ph model to do the day in day out jobs.
When you have that "big" project, such as that long fenceline through hard terrain that you are going to jump on and start working straight through. Go rent a Bobcat with the hydraulic auger attachment.
I have seen several of the hydraulic units mounted to the side of the bucket on a standard tractor, This was done I am sure to address the visibility issue.
I would not want to sideload my loader that much constantly.
In the FWIW this is one of the things that a bobcat really shines at and man can you move putting in post holes with a bob and hyd auger.
Most folks on here have a "BIG" project to do with a PHD, then numerous smaller one's to do.
For our money, I would reccomend that you just get a fairly cheap, standard 3ph model to do the day in day out jobs.
When you have that "big" project, such as that long fenceline through hard terrain that you are going to jump on and start working straight through. Go rent a Bobcat with the hydraulic auger attachment.
I have seen several of the hydraulic units mounted to the side of the bucket on a standard tractor, This was done I am sure to address the visibility issue.
I would not want to sideload my loader that much constantly.
In the FWIW this is one of the things that a bobcat really shines at and man can you move putting in post holes with a bob and hyd auger.
Raddad
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Visability is why they mount them on the side of the bucket. To side load the bucket with that kind of stress you need a very strong tractor. I am not aware of a CUT with the hydraulic capacity to handel a hydraulic driven post hole digger. 5gal/min spins them at 20 RPM. Too solw for me unless it's a huge augger. Look at the specs. from the manufacturer. They specify 15 to 20 gal/min. They are intended for very big tractors and skid loaders.
JerryG
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Danuser is a very good brand of auger. I have a post driver that is a Danuser and know several people that own their augers and they are top notch. They offer a hydraulic auger that requires as little as 5 gpm. If it is anything like the driver that I have it would be a very good unit.Model 8300 Specifications