Posting Current Pricing of CUT Tractors from last 2 months shopping

[rngrrymd]

Major,

The dealer gave me a set amount for pickup of the tractor if needed for warranty service. The dealer also has mobile units that can come to my location as well. I also deal with guys in the building trades so I can lean on a few to help me out with trailering if needed as well. I'm not taking delivery of the tractor from the dealer until the backhoe is installed as well as the 3rd SCV and tires filled, etc. which will be about a month from now.

 

[Mike Madison]

Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.

 

[Groo]

Got pricing on Yanmar yt347 and 359 without cab, with FEL and with and without hoe. With rebate and markdown the dealer basically said it was all $10k off msrp. Got a 359 with FEL only ordered for $31k. I hadn't done a ton of pricing, but that struck me as a pretty decent price.

Looks like the 347 to 359 was $2k, and the OEM hoe was $12k and change.

Still thinking about forks, a grapple bucket, and filling the tires.

The biggest problem I've seen with a 3 point hoe is that it sticks out more and might be a little sloppy if the turnbuckle loosen. No reason you can't use power beyond with a 3 point hoe.

 

[TractorNH]

Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.

Email shopping is absolutely the best way to go. I've done it with new cars and I did it with my tractor. For the tractor once I narrowed it down to the exact model and options I wanted then it was really simple to put it out to the 5 Mahindra dealers in my area and make it happen. I had about a $3k spread in prices across 5 dealers on a $40k tractor.

 

[TractorNH]

We are building a house next year and I will use the tractor to clear the building site, build a .33 mile driveway, install septic, dig foundation for the house etc.

Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.

 

[rngrrymd]

Yikes! Serious money. I generally buy used equipment. I did buy one Kubota new, and I put it out to bid--wrote to 5 dealers and specified what I was looking for and the expected date of purchase. One dealer (300 miles away) was $4k below the other bids, so I hitched up a trailer and went and got it. For buying a new truck or van or tractor, just write to the sales manager at dealerships and request a bid; you might do much better than dealing with the salesman on the floor.

Yes, going to suck making that payment for 7 years but I'll save about $20k minimum in excavation costs in the home build - I could either buy the tractor now and use it for that or pay labor to someone else and still have to get the tractor in the end. Since I paid off my truck I'm just swapping one payment with another and we paid off the house 2 years ago so we have little debt right now. I think part of getting such a good price on the Case is that the dealer I bought from the 2 sales guys are the brothers that own the dealership so I didn't have a salesman hedging price to protect his commission. That does make a difference if you can get right to the sales manager or the owner. I bought my last car the way you said. I e-mailed 9 dealerships that had the exact vehicle that I wanted and made them duke it out for my business. Ended up buying the car from a dealer 2 hours away from me and it only took an hour to get through the paperwork. In and out. Just like the tractor purchase, I threw out a bone to my local car dealer and gave them my price I wanted and info on the dealer beating them. Unfortunately for the local car dealer as well as the local tractor dealer they couldn't come through. The local tractor guy got back to me whenever he was not busy looking for stuff for his big accounts - I was just an afterthought and it showed which is a shame because I wanted to give him my business.

I hear you, Groo. It's a whole different world of pricing when you add the cabs into the mix. Locks you into higher priced models from manufacturers as well.

 

[rngrrymd]

Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.

You are right, TractorNH. I looked at going that route but a decent used backhoe around here seems to be more in the $20k range. The only issue again was tying up cash I need for other projects and not knowing if something major would go in the used equipment thus costing me even more cash. I have time to space out the work so I don't have to beat up this unit trying to rush it all in and I know it's not at the same level of heavy duty as true construction equipment. I have an ace up my sleeve anyways, one of my customers has a backhoe and said I could use it if I get in a bind and another customer has a Kubota mini-excavator that will help me if needed. It's now what you know but who you know sometimes, right?

 

[swnoel]

Excellent write-up. In all honesty based on the work you would be doing I would have bought a decent used full size backhoe like a Deere 410, Case 580, etc and used it for the construction phase then 5 years down the road sell it and get the CUT for maintaining the property. If you buy something in the $15k range you would likely be able to still get at least $12-$15k for it in 5 years. I have a 1970's Case 580CK that I paid about $10k for almost 20 years ago and aside from minor stuff like hydraulic hoses it has been a workhorse. It has been used and abused and still works when I want it to. A CUT simply IS NOT on the same level of duability and work efficiency as a machine made for construction.

I have a frame mounted BH for my Kioti and if I had to do it over again I'd pony up for a good used excavator. BH's are a pain in the $%# to move around if you really have something other than a small hole to dig!

 

[majorwager]

Tractor,
Used backhoe is good idea on paper but the resale you reference has been dwindling in recent years. They are also money pits and the issues manifest just when you most depend on the machine. Contractors are learning that a skidsteer and a mini excavator are much more adaptable for residential site work and they both fit on the 12 ton BH trailer. Maneuverability and minimization of collateral site damage makes this combo attractive. The NEW purchase aspect = minimal upfront cash outlay w/ machines under warranty.

 

[majorwager]

Groo,
Seems yanmar is as pricey as kubota. Are you sure of that $12k BH cost? Not really market competitive. I priced a 359 two years ago, over $40K w cab.

As for 3 point BH. Stabilizers loosening isn't an issue. I have a 10 ft BH I can 3 point or use the subframe channels and the outriggers prevent unwanted lateral movement. The concern is top link stress which requires operator discretion.

Don't know why power beyond is a concern? O P will use one of his rear remotes which are always live. The loader circuit on modern tractors always use a power betond valve, so there is no impact or restriction to rear remotes? Note sure of the issue?