Power Beyond on Kubota L3200

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Rayster

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Please pardon my hydraulic ignorance :confused: . I have read everything I can find on adding a third function. I am attempting on using an open center spool for a grapple attachment. I know the IN comes from "power beyond" "OUT" can be T'd to the return or tank line. My Kubota L3200, has a Power Beyond line that goes from the FEL spool to a valve body. So; that valve body has 1. Pressure (yellow), 2. Return (tank) (white) 3. Power Beyond (green). This is according to a document I have.

My question is do I simply T the Power Beyond Line?

My local supply store has very few fittings, so it looks like I will have to buy all my fittings and Ts online... :(

Here is my progress, all I need is to complete the plumbing.

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   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #2  
No, you never T a pressure line like power beyond. It goes in series. The power beyond hose from the loader goes to your valve, and its power beyond line goes back to the location where the green power beyond line came from, to power the 3pt. From what I understand you don't want to use ordinary NPT fittings like you would buy from the hardware store, they need to be high pressure rated. The tank lines can be T'ed. as there is not any real pressure on them.
There are some threads on here that detail this. Hopefully some of the more experienced guys will show up, with info.. I am a hydraulic newbie myself, but what I have said is what I understand.

James K0UA
 
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#3  
Ah, now I see...

Although I have an open center Energy 20038 four-way valve. It does not seem to have a PB port. Perhaps I have the wrong unit for the job?

I will check back tomorrow to see if anyone knows if this is the wrong valve.
 
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Rayster, keep us posted as to your progress. I have a L3200HST, and am thinking of doing the same thing. From what I've been told, the way most do it is to add a solenoid to the curl line. The problem there is that you can't use both the curl function and the grapple function at the same time.
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #5  
I downloaded their sparse info on that valve, trying to see what the max OUTLET pressure was - they don't list it. Most valves I've seen can only stand maybe 500 psi on the outlet (tank) port - the prince SV series is that way, but they have a PB port on the output section that comes plugged - you can either order them that way, order them WITH PB (which is merely a custom plug that blocks off the tank galleries from the higher pressure, or order the PB adapter after the fact.

About the only way I can see that you MIGHT be able to use your valve is if you can contact the manufacturer and get them to tell you what the TANK port max pressure is rated at. Their seals may be different than I'm used to, you might get lucky - but I doubt it. If, by some chance, their outlet port will stand full system pressure, you may be able to just insert that valve between the FEL valve's PB and the pressure inlet to the next valve - or, if your last PB isn't hooked to anything, you could feed that IN to your grapple valve and tee the OUTLETs/Tank returns.

IOW, if your new valve can be placed AFTER all the others, and the last EXISTING valve has an un-used PB, you're set... Steve
 
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Yes, it's looking like I should purchase a valve that has the PB port. Thanks for the detail Steve. :)
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #7  
Pete, Rayster - here's another option to consider

https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=9-7852&catname=hydraulic

Pete made the comment about not being able to use both at the same time, but here's my take on that -

1. Running wires from control area to bucket is a darn sight easier than finding room for, and running without kinks in, hydraulic hoses - BTDT and am less than totally impressed.

2. For things like a grapple, or nearly anything ELSE that will mount directly to the bucket, a selector valve isn't that big of a detrement - because if you grab something with the bucket pointing down, then let go of the button that chose the grapple, the grapple won't let go - both grapple and bucket will just curl because the grapple circuit will be dead-headed while you're using the curl function.

3. Using selectors, you don't need to mess with extra tank returns, PB, etc. - and the original valve control still gives you "feathering" of whichever function you're using at the time, even though the selector itself is on-off.

Costs aren't all that different - just different parts required.

I'm in the midst of a project for my old Case 580 (only thing I have with a FEL) that includes a 6' x 8' x 2' brush bucket (think full-size pickup bed that can go 12 feet in the air and self-dump) - a set of fairly heavy duty brush forks, and a Samurai hydraulic sickle bar -

I bought two of the above selector valves and a two button switch and will feed one selector with bucket curl hoses, default (no power) still feeds bucket curl - selector one feeds selector two, which gives me two "remotes" for two different cylinders to articulate the sickle bar.

Power for the hyd motor will come from ANOTHER (manual) selector valve that'll mount on fender next to backhoe controls - default on that one keeps one of the stabilizers working, other position goes to a flow control and the sickle bar.

When I'm done, I'll be able to trim the sides of one of my (many) privacy hedges by driving along and having everything I cut falling into the large bucket - when full, drive to burn pile/compost pile area and dump (never leaving the tractor seat)

Hedge tops - unplug the 2" square tubing from hitch receivers welded to rear of loader bucket, rotate 90 degrees, plug back in - now I have horizontal swing to do tops. Cut and leave laying on hedge. Park brush bucket nearby - (designed so I can hook up/un-hook without leaving tractor seat), pick up brush forks, "comb" top of hedge, dump forks into brush bucket as necessary - drop forks, pick up bucket (about 2 full-size pickup loads more or less)

Far side of hedges that don't have enough room for tractor on both sides - one more "linkage change" (there will be 3-4 ways to arrange my "erector set" using hitch receivers and pivot points, with two small hydraulic cylinders running off the two electric selector valves) and I can reach OVER THE TOP, down the other side, and trim the BACKSIDE of the hedge. Unfortunately I've NOT come up with a way (yet) to retrieve THOSE clippings that doesn't involve SWEAT :mad:

The brush forks (about 300 pounds) are designed to fit INSIDE the width of the brush BUCKET so I can take both to a more remote area (lower pasture with too many "weed trees" for example) in one trip. Get there, dump the forks on the ground, drop the brush bucket, pick up forks, pick up brush, dump in burn pile, repeat - Or, if the stuff to be picked up goes elsewhere, dump in brush bucket. All without leaving the seat.

Sorry for the long post, my main points are

Things that seem limiting, may NOT be

There's more than one way to skin a cat if you analyze your specific situation

ONE of those ways may be easier, cheaper, quicker, or some of each... Steve
 
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I like that setup as well. But without a detailed schematic, it's just more to search and research. I am leaning toward the mechanical only solution. The wrong valve I have can be sent back for a refund to put towards what I can use.

That's been the biggest issue, if I had a schematic to look at it would have made this whole deal a lot easier.
 
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I like that setup as well. But without a detailed schematic, it's just more to search and research. I am leaning toward the mechanical only solution. The wrong valve I have can be sent back for a refund to put towards what I can use.

That's been the biggest issue, if I had a schematic to look at it would have made this whole deal a lot easier.
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #10  
You mean like this?

https://www.surpluscenter.com/Instruct/I9-7852.pdf

You would disconnect the two hoses that go to/from your curl cylinders and hook them to P1 and P2, add short hoses from C1 and C4 BACK to your curl cylinders, and hook two (new) hoses from C2 and C3 to your grapple cylinders.

A simple single pole, single throw switch mounted on your loader control lever - 12 volts from battery (thru a 5 amp fuse) to one terminal of the switch - other terminal (and ground) to a Hirshman connector (same page at Surplus) - the hirshman plugs into the selector valve.

No button push - bucket curl works. Button push - grapple works.

Since the grapple will be mounted TO the bucket, if you curl bucket while holding something with the grapple, BOTH will move without changing the holding pressure on whatever you're grappling.

Either way, you're probably gonna NOT need the valve you have - I'm just trying to help you pick a way that'll work best for YOU.

Whichever way you decide, you already know there are several people here to help you through it... Steve
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #11  
BukitCase has given you some data.

Here is some data on your Energy valve, and I don't think it should be used in a series circuit, as most log splitter valves are used as the only or last valve in a hyd circuit. If inserted in the front or middle of a hyd circuit, it would have to withstand the pumps full pressure on the OUT port should a valve downstream go into relief.

Hydraulic Directional Control Valves by Energy® Manufacturing Company, Inc.

Using a 3rd function valve, all ports are high pressure, and the valve can be inserted anywhere in the series circuit.

The diverter/selector valve is a valve that can be mounted up front on the cross bar, using sort hoses and then some wiring is required. Default mode is bucket as BukitCase has said.
 
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I agree JJ, the energy valve will be returned. I just need to locate a 3rd function valve. Then get it ordered.

Thanks
 
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JJ, I looked at those before I bought two of the ones I linked - by the time you bought the subplate, the price was same as mine, BUT mine have a default mode - According to the description, you need TWO hirshman connectors and need to apply 12V to EITHER side to get the valve to switch. Also, when used for a grapple type application, there would need to be power applied AT ALL TIMES regardless of which way you want it switched.

For my applications, this isn't as practical, (you would need either a SPDT switch with spring loading, or ??!?)

Although in some instances I can see a benefit... Steve
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #15  
The spring centered solenoid valve that I posted would only have to have a momentary on-off-on spring centered switch and the grapple would operate close -off- open.

Don't know if he wants a diverter type valve or a 3rd function valve.

However a 3rd function will take all pump flow, whereas the diverter will allow one to feather the grapple.

However the 3rd function valve can be installed just about anywhere in the series path..

Cost is usually the deciding factor in a lot of things, second to functionally.
 
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Well the spool valve (above) was the wrong one, J_J enlightened me on the type I needed. Kenmac gave me this link in another thread; " https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.a...name=hydraulic "

Meanwhile I made a mount; bracket.jpg

Have one hose with a bad crimp that leaks. Also a possible fitting leak, and the plan is to have it all working by Friday. Will post more pics at that time.

Talk about a learning experience on hydraulics. It's worth the savings.
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #18  
Rayster, I'm a little late to reply here, but I went the same basic way that I think your going and just simply added a Prince valve next to the FEL valve. Simple, quick, dirty and works well. (L3400)
Steve

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Yeah Steve, that is exactly what I have done. My quick disconnects are on the grapple. So that if I have a rear attachment I can just reroute my hoses to the back with ease.

Thanks for the pictures.
 
   / Power Beyond on Kubota L3200 #20  
Rayster. I had a need for a rear remote and went this route.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/279524-kubota-l-series-rear-remote.html
I had thought that if I needed a FEL remote then I would just run a pair of hoses to the front off of the ROPS mounted couplers. Then I built a grapple and decided that it wasnt worth the effort messing around with a pair of long hoses so I added the extra valve next to the loader valve.
If you get some sort of rear attachment that needs hydraulic power then you might find that adding a rear remote (or two) is far better then messing with some long hoses. Just my .02 cents. Post some pictures when your done, I'd like to see how you did yours.
Steve
 

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