You seem to think you are just about the smartest man alive. I don't think so, I had my fuel gell, and I got it at a big truck stop. It was in a car and I used it all the time, so it wasn't old fuel either. So don't be calling someone a liar, when you don't know what you are talking about. And it was probably below 0 but not down to 20.
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You stated how things work in Mass. but I can tell you it's not that way everyplace else. I don't know about Mass. but out west the temp. can go from 80 to 20 or less in July and there be a snowstorm. You can travel from the desert to the mountains where I am from and in a matter of an hour or two the temp will change 50 degrees or better at times. I certainly wouldn't consider myself an expert but I do know what works and what doesn't work. I've been driving a diesel for 20 years now and know how to keep them going with minimal problems. We farm thousands of acres and also know how to keep a tractor going. I certainly wouldn't dream of telling you the first thing about engineering. Sure I have a little know how in it but nothing that I would try and state fact on.
I'm not sure what you mean about the 94 and earlier trucks not needing it. Those are the ones that needed it the most. Not from a gelling or water aspect but from a pump and lubricity standpoint. On the newer trucks it's needed to make the fuel better not needed on the inside. The new fuels are not good for the old trucks at all. You better have something like p/s or you're going to be replacing alot of pumps, injectors, and o-rings on the older trucks.
As far as fuel we get fuel delivered out to some of the ranches 5000 gallons at a time to last for 6 months. I just got 1500 gallons delivered and it will be into Nov. and maybe Dec. before I use that. They haven't switched to #1 yet. I'd just as soon run the #2 with p/s anyway as you drop mileage quite a bit with #1 and hours/gallon in the tractors. Also when we travel we will carry 200 or more gallons with us. We also will travel soemtimes 2000 or more miles in a weekend to deliver horses or cattle or hit a show. Maybe in your situation p/s or something of the sort isn't needed but there are alot of working situations where it is most certainly needed.
Your way of thinking may work fine for out east in your world but our experiences have been completely different. What you have explained is being in a city and city driving. It has nothing to do with actually making a living with a truck, tractor, etc. Getting fuel transferred numerous times, riding around in a truck going through storms with fuel in tanks, etc. All poss. for contamination, gelling, water, etc. The p/s will take care of all of these problems. Out west that mom and pop store that has had their diesel for 3 months may be the only thing between you and walking. There are many places where there isn't a gas station/diesel for 300 miles or more. Again the p/s will take care of the problems with the fuel for the most part and not leave you stranded.
I'm not sure what you mean about the 94 and earlier trucks not needing it. Those are the ones that needed it the most. Not from a gelling or water aspect but from a pump and lubricity standpoint. On the newer trucks it's needed to make the fuel better not needed on the inside. The new fuels are not good for the old trucks at all. You better have something like p/s or you're going to be replacing alot of pumps, injectors, and o-rings on the older trucks.
As far as fuel we get fuel delivered out to some of the ranches 5000 gallons at a time to last for 6 months. I just got 1500 gallons delivered and it will be into Nov. and maybe Dec. before I use that. They haven't switched to #1 yet. I'd just as soon run the #2 with p/s anyway as you drop mileage quite a bit with #1 and hours/gallon in the tractors. Also when we travel we will carry 200 or more gallons with us. We also will travel soemtimes 2000 or more miles in a weekend to deliver horses or cattle or hit a show. Maybe in your situation p/s or something of the sort isn't needed but there are alot of working situations where it is most certainly needed.
Your way of thinking may work fine for out east in your world but our experiences have been completely different. What you have explained is being in a city and city driving. It has nothing to do with actually making a living with a truck, tractor, etc. Getting fuel transferred numerous times, riding around in a truck going through storms with fuel in tanks, etc. All poss. for contamination, gelling, water, etc. The p/s will take care of all of these problems. Out west that mom and pop store that has had their diesel for 3 months may be the only thing between you and walking. There are many places where there isn't a gas station/diesel for 300 miles or more. Again the p/s will take care of the problems with the fuel for the most part and not leave you stranded.
Dick- I am not the smartest man alive but I know when things are not needed. Look in a Powerstoke manual. It is in Black and white!!!!!!! If you buy good fuel it is not needed. I know what works for me for over 9 years in newer diesels; but, do what makes you happy.
Go waste your money. Again I have not needed them in many years. Never had a problem.
I would say you are buying fuel that is bad. Just becasue you got it at a big stop means nothing. Talk to the owner and ask how often they fill there tanks. I know a few other large stations that sell close to nothing and there fuel sucks. I know the owner of the Mobil and asked him (like many truckers do) and there is always a tanker filling the station up.
Lier??? Come up to MA and I have seen it last year at -10 below. It was a record! Last year, my tractor started just fine in that weather with no addatives.
Dick, losen up and listen. Just becuase you have old diesel knowhow means little nowadays since they complete engine has changed. Look at the old 7.3 liters. They suck compared to the new Power Strokes and new 6.0. It is night and day here.
But go spend the money and I will have extra money in my pocket and still have zero fuel issues. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This is all options and no facts here. Loosen up here. It is just a website. Gee.
Go waste your money. Again I have not needed them in many years. Never had a problem.
I would say you are buying fuel that is bad. Just becasue you got it at a big stop means nothing. Talk to the owner and ask how often they fill there tanks. I know a few other large stations that sell close to nothing and there fuel sucks. I know the owner of the Mobil and asked him (like many truckers do) and there is always a tanker filling the station up.
Lier??? Come up to MA and I have seen it last year at -10 below. It was a record! Last year, my tractor started just fine in that weather with no addatives.
Dick, losen up and listen. Just becuase you have old diesel knowhow means little nowadays since they complete engine has changed. Look at the old 7.3 liters. They suck compared to the new Power Strokes and new 6.0. It is night and day here.
But go spend the money and I will have extra money in my pocket and still have zero fuel issues. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
This is all options and no facts here. Loosen up here. It is just a website. Gee.
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I agree Doc. We don't use additive in the summer months. Toward end of November we will start the blending with #1. Our supplier also uses additives to prevent gelling. When it get really cold we use Polar Power as an additional additive.
Might sound like a little overboard, but, have you ever layed in the slush, salt, and snow on the side of a road when wind chill was -40 trying to get one running after it has gelled up? Just to go to the next one.
I have and it isn't much fun!!!!
Might sound like a little overboard, but, have you ever layed in the slush, salt, and snow on the side of a road when wind chill was -40 trying to get one running after it has gelled up? Just to go to the next one.
I have and it isn't much fun!!!!
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but, have you ever layed in the slush, salt, and snow on the side of a road when wind chill was -40 trying to get one running after it has gelled up?
Yes I have. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif That's not any fun at all. I've done it getting fuel from one of the biggest truck stops in Wyoming. Try getting a tow truck out on a night like that too and loaded with 40 head of cattle. There are alot of real world situations where p/s or something like it is needed. Even from the big boys all fuel is not equal. It only takes a little bit of water or a big temp. differential and you are in big trouble.
Yes I have. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif That's not any fun at all. I've done it getting fuel from one of the biggest truck stops in Wyoming. Try getting a tow truck out on a night like that too and loaded with 40 head of cattle. There are alot of real world situations where p/s or something like it is needed. Even from the big boys all fuel is not equal. It only takes a little bit of water or a big temp. differential and you are in big trouble.
Big truck stop, yes I would say it was, and do they move fuel. They are one of the big ones, right in Omaha, NE. They are busy all the time, and yes it gelled, after it gelled the first time, at aroung 0 degrees, I put in antigel because it goes on down to 20 to 30 below a lot there. But you saying it does not gell is calling me a liar, and I don't lie about anything. I have been connected the the Ministry for the last 50 years and I wouldn't go to hell for lieing for anything. So it burns me to have someone say that what I say is a lie. And I use the power service to keep my injectors clean, here even though it don't get cold enough to gel, here. So I don't buy the kind that has the antigel, but my fuel sometimes sets for a while after I buy it. Don't use much just what they say to do what I want it to. I know they know more about it than someone that is just guessing what is needed, they spend a lot of money testing.
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Mike (gsxr1100),
You have made your point...In your opinion and in your situation, PowerService is not needed. Several people have posted their completely different experience and situation. Let's leave it at that.
You have made your point...In your opinion and in your situation, PowerService is not needed. Several people have posted their completely different experience and situation. Let's leave it at that.
Egon
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Travelled across Canada last winter. Only fueled up at the big truck stops. At most stops the big trucks usually fill at a different location then the little trucks as almost all are set up for cardlock and have high volume pumps. Think they use different tanks too. On the way home the temperatures were down to -45 C. I used addatives and noticed that all the big trucks did too. Didn't have any fuel problems.
A few years ago in Alberta we were having a very mild winter. A sudden cold snap down to -40C and there were literally dozens of big trucks stopped at the side of the road with fuel problems. Most of these were comming from Vancouver where it was warm.
The refineries also have thier glitches were fuel not meeting specs will get through.
Egon
A few years ago in Alberta we were having a very mild winter. A sudden cold snap down to -40C and there were literally dozens of big trucks stopped at the side of the road with fuel problems. Most of these were comming from Vancouver where it was warm.
The refineries also have thier glitches were fuel not meeting specs will get through.
Egon
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Fivestring,
Did anyone answer your Fleet Charge question, or did you run for your life?
I am not familiar with that product. Sounds like it is coolant precharged with all the SCA(supplemental coolant additives) already added.
Maybe someone will chime in about the COOLANT.
Fivestring,
Did anyone answer your Fleet Charge question, or did you run for your life?
I am not familiar with that product. Sounds like it is coolant precharged with all the SCA(supplemental coolant additives) already added.
Maybe someone will chime in about the COOLANT.
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Re: Fleet Charge
Yes you're exactly right on the Fleetcharge Hambone. The regular Fleetguard is just anitfreeze. The Fleetcharge has the SCA's in it. Depending on your tractor it is or isn't recommended. If you have sleevers it's definitely needed. If you don't have sleeves there is some debate about whether or not it's needed.
Yes you're exactly right on the Fleetcharge Hambone. The regular Fleetguard is just anitfreeze. The Fleetcharge has the SCA's in it. Depending on your tractor it is or isn't recommended. If you have sleevers it's definitely needed. If you don't have sleeves there is some debate about whether or not it's needed.
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