Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion

   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #171  
The price of steel has been increasing worldwide 10-40%, and oil is up around $89/barrel.

I think that you can count on price increases.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #172  
Metal commodities have flattened somewhat, and it is hard to say what will happen with iron since the Chinese now export steel (much to the irritation of the Euros from the sounds of it).

Unlike oil and a few specialty metals, there is plenty of metal ore in the world. The constraint is mining/production, and historically if the price is high enough someone will fill the demand and the price goes down. Lead times are very long, and in decades past mining companies have lost quite a bit of money expanding fast and glutting the market-- witness the copper glut 10-15 years ago. So, they tend to expand more methodically now.

The wild card here, is the dropping US dollar. If the Chinese continue to loosely peg to the dollar, the lid will hold on prices to some extent. If the Chinese unpeg, "buy now or pay much more later" may be a good mantra. The Euro and Loonie being up puts significant pressure on items with those foreign contents, NH and MF come to mind.

I was never able to figure out a rational reason why the politicians advocated a recession by a quick unpeg of the Chinese yuan (unless, of course, they were on the payola of the speculators who would make a windfall profit. The rest of us just get financially incinerated).

The large American content of the PT might help them hold the line a bit better than other mfg with more foreign content. Generally machinery and construction materials companies push the prices up in January/February, so if you are looking at 1Q or 2Q purchase, sometimes it's cheaper to buy in 4Q (depends on your particular circumstances/carrying costs).

Gee, I'd really like to have a PT1850 under the Christmas tree:D
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #173  
Catepillar posted poor 3Quarter... Could also hold the prices down...

Nice used 1850 at PT website for sale... Used boom mower for 2K....

Carl
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #174  
I am sorely tempted by the used machines. I won't pay more than 2/3 of new for a low hours machine, above 2/3 I buy new and don't have to risk owning someone else's problem.

Despite hearing all the stories of great deals people get (of course, no one brags about the times they paid too much) I'm not one of the those that gets those great deals.

I'm more likely to spend a day driving to discover the 'well maintained excellent condition' tractor hasn't seen grease since it was manufactured and was beat to death in the meantime. And if I do buy what the seller is selling (i.e., seems to be what they say it is) all too often I end up with an obviously pre-existing catastrophic problem the owner had to know about.

So, if Mr. Boom Mower's 1850 was really what he says it is, I'd write him a check. But it's too far to drive to discover yet another roadkill (and not having seen a PT in real life, I could very well miss some critical incipient failure anyway).
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #175  
horse7 said:
I am sorely tempted by the used machines. I won't pay more than 2/3 of new for a low hours machine, above 2/3 I buy new and don't have to risk owning someone else's problem.

Despite hearing all the stories of great deals people get (of course, no one brags about the times they paid too much) I'm not one of the those that gets those great deals.

I'm more likely to spend a day driving to discover the 'well maintained excellent condition' tractor hasn't seen grease since it was manufactured and was beat to death in the meantime. And if I do buy what the seller is selling (i.e., seems to be what they say it is) all too often I end up with an obviously pre-existing catastrophic problem the owner had to know about.

So, if Mr. Boom Mower's 1850 was really what he says it is, I'd write him a check. But it's too far to drive to discover yet another roadkill (and not having seen a PT in real life, I could very well miss some critical incipient failure anyway).
Wise decision, I totally agree... :eek:
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #176  
This is an intriguing conversation, maybe for another thread. But how many people bought PT's sight unseen? I know I did. Took Terry's word for it being in good shape and generally it was. I think the failings have been just 70 hours of hard use on equipment that looked on the surface OK, but had internal issues. But for me nothing expensive has failed, other than having to weld the oil tank...

Carl
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #177  
woodlandfarms said:
But how many people bought PT's sight unseen?

I was about to, until I happened across a used one about 50 miles away thanks to this forum. I went and drove it, was convinced a PT was what I needed, and paid the asking price...
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #178  
woodlandfarms said:
This is an intriguing conversation, maybe for another thread. But how many people bought PT's sight unseen? I know I did. Took Terry's word for it being in good shape and generally it was. I think the failings have been just 70 hours of hard use on equipment that looked on the surface OK, but had internal issues. But for me nothing expensive has failed, other than having to weld the oil tank...

Carl
Carl,

I hope you didn't think my comment was directed at you. I've bought a many used cars and have had really good luck. Now that I know a little more about PT's, not saying I wouldn't buy one used if the price were right. Just that I prefer to buy it new, so I can baby the heck out of it until it gets broken in right. :eek:

I know your happy with your PT, and it's a very nice looking tractor. That's all that matters. :) :)
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #179  
Well here it is the first weekend, and I'm already going through PT withdrawal. :eek:

Guess now is a good time to start working on my old Cub 108 and Deere 140 just bought a carburetor rebuild kit for the 108. Will give me something to do, and help keep my mind off of that empty spot in my garage. :rolleyes:
 
   / Power-Tracs are not cheaper in my opinion #180  
KentT said:
I was about to, until I happened across a used one about 50 miles away thanks to this forum. I went and drove it, was convinced a PT was what I needed, and paid the asking price...
So Kent, I'm sure it's on this forum somewhere. What did you find your PT needed if anything, when you got it home and had a chance to really go over it? You seem to have had pretty good luck with your buy.
 

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