Price fix and oil

[bigshovel]

Bottom line as I see it, we the people that "get it" have elected alot of those that don't. For that we are tortured daily with stupidity and and a thug electorate. Now,if I had oil on any of my properties I'd be drilling as many holes and pumping as much crude as I could, it's my oil. During this process of drilling one of my neighbors may seem to think I'm cruel because I killed my grass and ran off some stupid worth nothing insect I could care less about. So he advertises I'm a bad S.O.B. thats hates squirrels and horse flies and I should be shut down. So I have more money than he does and he has nothing to lose by slandering me for some financial gain. A whole bunch of backroom meetings later WE now are partners I quit drilling, he now rode my coatails to a gravy train driven by lobbyists and some bill pays me not to drill.
What happened GREED, everytime at that level. Greed wins at the end of the day in the feds world and we set them up for it and accept it when it happens. No boo hoo from me on this topic, I know who I choose to lead and I won't be shocked when the wheels really fall of when jimmy carters revenge gets elected.

Brad

 

[dmccarty]

I've lived in Florida a couple of times. If oil wells would run the tourists of, the more the better!

In South Florida its not only the tourists but the Snow Birds that need to be chased off. Most miserable place I have ever lived is in South Florida. And it was due to the people that moved in from Up Nawth where everything was better. If it was so danged good up there why don't you LEAVE. Go BACK. Stay away. There are good Yankees. There are bad Yankess. S. FLA attracted the later.

If Florida lost the Tourists the state would go under money wise. Tourists taxes and money they spend in FLA keeps that state going. Which is why whenever the idea of oil exploration off the beaches comes up most everyone in state/local government and business screams NO!

I don't know if they are still there but at least in the 80's and early 90's there were oil wells in the Everglades. People hated the idea of wells being there. It was a Pavlovian reaction. But oil ain't killing the 'glades. What has destroyed the Everglades is the ditching of swamps and rivers in Central and South Florida. This was done for some good reasons but some bad ones as well. One of the major destroyers of water quality in South Florida is Sugar Cane. The "farms" are huge. You can drive 35-35 mph for hours and just see cane. Must of the water usage is S. FLA. is on these farms. The farms have caused the loss of at least 6 feet of topsoil in some areas. I have seen a concrete post they put in the ground to bedrock back in the 20/30's. The top of the post was at grade. Not now....

The Sugar Cane "farms" really exploited the workers brought in from the Caribean. Belle Glade had one of the highest if not the highest rates of HIV back in the 80's. Once it got out how the "farmers" were not fully paying the workers, they stopped hiring the vast numbers of manual labor and went to tractors to harvest. Sugar Cane gets lots of our tax dollars and is protected by trade barriers. And I suspect much of their land was created by our tax dollars which drained the swamps and built the canals.

Not sure if one can tell, but I don't like the Sugar Cane "Farmers".

Now, if the Sugar Cane "Farmers" could get the Congress Critters to pay for more land and higher subsidies, growing cane for ethanol would be grand. Of course it will destroy more of the Everglades. FLA and the US have been talking for years about fixing the Everglades. Its going to cost Billions. Some money has been spent but not as much as needed. Frankly it would be easier to clean up an oil spill off of Ft. Lauderdale than its going to be to fix the problems in the Everglades. Much of the water problems are due to agriculture. Development plays its part but its the big cane farms and to a lesser extent the dairies that have messed up the water and then the glades.

But I would guess there would be far more support to grow cane for ethanol than drilling wells off the coast. Fixing the environmental damage required to grow sugar cane would cost more than a possible oil spill.

Later,
Dan

 

[turbo36]

In South Florida its not only the tourists but the Snow Birds that need to be chased off. Most miserable place I have ever lived is in South Florida. And it was due to the people that moved in from Up Nawth where everything was better. If it was so danged good up there why don't you LEAVE. Go BACK. Stay away. There are good Yankees. There are bad Yankess. S. FLA attracted the later.

If Florida lost the Tourists the state would go under money wise. Tourists taxes and money they spend in FLA keeps that state going. Which is why whenever the idea of oil exploration off the beaches comes up most everyone in state/local government and business screams NO!

I don't know if they are still there but at least in the 80's and early 90's there were oil wells in the Everglades. People hated the idea of wells being there. It was a Pavlovian reaction. But oil ain't killing the 'glades. What has destroyed the Everglades is the ditching of swamps and rivers in Central and South Florida. This was done for some good reasons but some bad ones as well. One of the major destroyers of water quality in South Florida is Sugar Cane. The "farms" are huge. You can drive 35-35 mph for hours and just see cane. Must of the water usage is S. FLA. is on these farms. The farms have caused the loss of at least 6 feet of topsoil in some areas. I have seen a concrete post they put in the ground to bedrock back in the 20/30's. The top of the post was at grade. Not now....

The Sugar Cane "farms" really exploited the workers brought in from the Caribean. Belle Glade had one of the highest if not the highest rates of HIV back in the 80's. Once it got out how the "farmers" were not fully paying the workers, they stopped hiring the vast numbers of manual labor and went to tractors to harvest. Sugar Cane gets lots of our tax dollars and is protected by trade barriers. And I suspect much of their land was created by our tax dollars which drained the swamps and built the canals.

Not sure if one can tell, but I don't like the Sugar Cane "Farmers".

Now, if the Sugar Cane "Farmers" could get the Congress Critters to pay for more land and higher subsidies, growing cane for ethanol would be grand. Of course it will destroy more of the Everglades. FLA and the US have been talking for years about fixing the Everglades. Its going to cost Billions. Some money has been spent but not as much as needed. Frankly it would be easier to clean up an oil spill off of Ft. Lauderdale than its going to be to fix the problems in the Everglades. Much of the water problems are due to agriculture. Development plays its part but its the big cane farms and to a lesser extent the dairies that have messed up the water and then the glades.

But I would guess there would be far more support to grow cane for ethanol than drilling wells off the coast. Fixing the environmental damage required to grow sugar cane would cost more than a possible oil spill.

Later,
Dan

I thought we were all Americans and free to move about as we wish? Do I need a visa next time I go south of the Mason-Dixon line?

 

[N80]

I thought we were all Americans and free to move about as we wish? Do I need a visa next time I go south of the Mason-Dixon line?

Of course not, the Yankees won remember?

Seriously though, don't get all worked up. Show me any part of this country where the citizens don't notice and/or make fun of regional differences.

 

[WTA]

If we go back to the good diesel of a few years ago, No more catalytic converters on diesels and cars and start drilling the tar out of our own land like we used to then gas prices would have to come down. Take off the converter and put some sulfur back in the diesel and there will be fairly large mileage increases. My new tractor even has a converter on it and that's just stupid!

Most of our gas mileage problems and refining and drilling capabilities are caused by stupid regulations. That's a fact. It's about time to start moving some polar bears and caribou.

I'd like to see more drilling off the coast. On the coast. In my back yard. I don't care as long as we are drilling here instead of buying it from the arabs. Those off shore rigs make good fishing spots too. In all the years I lived on the ocean they were my favorite spots to go fishing.
We don't have any fish anywhere around here and I miss it a lot.

 

[dmccarty]

Its one thing to make fun of regional differences. Don't mind that at all. But a certain area of the NE has a large number of very rude people that have moved to S. FLA. I guess you have to live there to understand.

And yes in America one can move were one likes but if one is rude, don't expect to be liked or welcomed by the locals. The guy that lives next to us has yet to learn this lesson so he digs himself a deeper and deeper hole.

When I lived in S. FLA rudeness was just expected in any public venue because of the people I'm talking about. Just people in public, driving, employee's at stores, etc. If you drove two hours to the west coast of FLA it was like you were in a different time and place. Well, like most of the places I have lived in the US. People were polite as a rule. Not rude as rule.

South West FLA had Yankees from the midwest. South East FLA had Yankess from specific areas of the NE. Midwest Yankees were usually easy to get along with and not rude.

I guess you have to live there to understand.

Later,
Dan

 

[jinjimbob]

If we go back to the good diesel of a few years ago, No more catalytic converters on diesels and cars and start drilling the tar out of our own land like we used to then gas prices would have to come down. Take off the converter and put some sulfur back in the diesel and there will be fairly large mileage increases. My new tractor even has a converter on it and that's just stupid!

Most of our gas mileage problems and refining and drilling capabilities are caused by stupid regulations. That's a fact. It's about time to start moving some polar bears and caribou.

I'd like to see more drilling off the coast. On the coast. In my back yard. I don't care as long as we are drilling here instead of buying it from the arabs. Those off shore rigs make good fishing spots too. In all the years I lived on the ocean they were my favorite spots to go fishing.
We don't have any fish anywhere around here and I miss it a lot.

Funny.

 

[turbo36]

Of course not, the Yankees won remember?

Seriously though, don't get all worked up. Show me any part of this country where the citizens don't notice and/or make fun of regional differences.

I was going to mention the war but thought it good manners not to

 

[N80]

It surprises many folks from the north that we haven't gotten over it yet.

I lived in LA (that's Lower Alabama, AKA northwest Florida) and we got 'snowbirds' from Canada. Never noticed any problems but the average age of the population doubled when they came down.

There are certain parts of the north east that do not share or understand southern manners (which are all but gone anyway). I'm sure they don't think of themselves as rude when they are here or at home, but they seem that way to us. I think the biggest problem is that they forget the wise old adage of 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do.' I always try to remember this when I'm away from home. Even if I don't fit in or like the culture that I'm in, it is someone else's home and culture so I do my best to go with the flow.

And folks from other areas, who move and visit the south for economic reasons tend to complain about the way we do things and talk about how much better things are up North. This is obviously a stereotype but it is pervasive to the point of cliche'. Its one thing to complain about a place and stay and complain about a place and leave.

So yes, we southerners notice these things. We'll, those of us who are left. The regional identity of the south is nearly gone often sequestered in trailer parks and columned mansions that have seen better days.

And before anyone accuses me of being some Rebel nutjob, I just completed chairing the search committee for a new associate pastor at our church and we hired a fine young man from Akron, Ohio.

And finally, if any of you folks aren't clear on what a Yankee is....well then, you are one.

 

[Sigarms]

Its one thing to make fun of regional differences. Don't mind that at all. But a certain area of the NE has a large number of very rude people that have moved to S. FLA. I guess you have to live there to

Being a **** yankee, let me explain the northern "rudeness" to you.

Up north, people will tell you what they think. Don't like it? Tough crap, who cares?

Down south, people tell you what they think you want to hear, to keep you happy.

And for the record, I have now been known to say "yeah boy"

I'm still trying to figure out what the heck "my butt is like a turnip patch, come get your mess" means