Price Check price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads

   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

Thanks S for checking that out for me.
Bucky, I went to talk to my dealer again and came up with a firm $7300 also. That looks like the final price.
Im sorry this is going to be so long but there are alot of people that are going to disagree with the following so I just want to give some reasoning.
My dealer is very pro BL4690 and con BH90 for my tractor. His reasoning is that he has worked them side by side and at only 8.3 GPM, the 3130 just doesnt have the flow to work the BH90 as smoothly as a BL4690B. He said that the tractor must run near redline and the fluid heats up so bad you cant touch the hose fittings. We talked in detail about it on the phone for about 20 minutes, discussing what I want out of it and his experiences with it. What we came up with is that I would be happy with the performance of either but the BL4690B would be easier on the tractor. Im not too worried about the reduced reach, I really didnt ever plan on anything over 8' when I began this search. We talked about the possible stresses on the tractor more than anything and believe it or not, I can see his points about the 3PH BH being less stressful on the tractor, as a whole, than the BH90. Whats the big concern for CUT owners that operate 3PH BHs? Its the stress that is put on the transmission bolts (pulling the tractor apart). The Grand L series with the HD loaders already have a subframe that connects the rear axle to the loader mounts. That subframe was one of the reasons I purchased this particular tractor (pat on the back). The other possible concern would be with the strength of the 3PH and its brackets. With 2650 lifting Lbs. 24" beyond the arms, The 3130 has the strongest most robust 3point available within its size and HP range. Another reason for the purchase of this model (another pat on my back). We talked about the possible wear problems with the 3PH brackets and arms. What we came up with is that a hoe will eventually wear out bushing, and mounting points whether its got a subframe or not. If the subframe to backhoe mounts get loose, you may have to replace the whole subframe. If your 3PH mounts get loose, its easy and inexpensive to replace arms or top mount bracket. On top of all of that, Im liking the PTO pump thing. No threat of contamination. No heat buildup in the tractor hydros. No messing with 3PH arms when removing and installing.
Considering all of this, Im now back to thinking the BL4690B, for $1200 less, is right for me.
Lets hear the point/counterpoints.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads #12  
Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

I will strongly disagree with any customer who wants a 3pt mount backhoe. Our shop has seen countless tractors that have been split in half because of all the weight hanging off the 3pt. Subframes take care of that problem, they are also more expensive. Think people would be selling them for no reason if they add to the cost of the tractor? If your just doing very light duty work, you will probably be okay. But considering the cost of the repair its not a risk I would want to take.

Also, all L's up to the 3830 have the same amount of hydrolic flow. The rest of the series goes from 8.3/gal to 9.8. The cost difference between the two hoes should be about $700.

Take that for what its worth.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

I agree with you 100%. What do you think of the LA723 loader subframe? Am I mistaken or is it almost identical to the BH90 subframe, except for the BH mounting points?
This is good. This is the kind of first hand info and discusion Im looking for.
The dealer I went to, (same one I bought the tractor from) said he wouldnt recommend the BH90 for the 31,34,or 3830 because of the lower capacity pump. Does Kubota make a higher capacity pump that would fit the smaller L30s?
He also mentioned that a Kubota rep says they are looking at adding a PTO pump option to the 90 next year. Any info on this?
 
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

I am not sure whats going on in the Kubota camp right now, if it where up to me I would rather see them beef up the tractor hydrolics than add PTO pumps. Those pumps are a royal pain in the butt to take on and off and are expensive. I am not sure that BH90 would not work for you. Its going to have the same amount of power, it will just run slightly slower. Have you looked your dealers inventory? Are they trying to push you to the BL4690 cause they have them in stock?

What about other after market companies? I have mounted woods and bradco hoes before and been happy with them. Woods is a bit cheaper but is still good quality, brandco is a step above kubota's at a small price premium.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

My dealer doesnt have any of either in stock. He said he would have to look at other dealerships or order one but the BL4690B would probably be easier to find. I believe he is being straight forward with me about the reason he would prefer the 4690 for me. I cant see it being a monitary thing, he would actually lose money by selling me the cheaper of the two. I'm just looking for more opinions. Thats why I want to open a good discussion here. The info I have on Bradco is that they dont make a subframe BH that will fit my tractor/loader combo because of the loader subframe that is on it now. I havent really looked close at Woods or Bushhog. If you have experience with them, can you tell me how their subframes connect to the tractor? All of that said, I would really like to stay with Kubota.
 
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

I will strongly disagree with the 3pt hoe as well. I have a L3130 and a Woods 9000 hoe. It started out as a 3pt because the subframe was not ready from Woods at the time. The L3130 had just come out. There is BIG difference between the the 3pt and the subframe. I would not get a 3pt hoe myself. The hoe subframe connects to the loader subframe making it one big stout unit.

With the Woods the PTO pump puts out 9GPM vs 8.3 on the tractor. I usually run the hoe 2300-2500. PTO speed would be 2600. The fluids get hot on a hot day just using the HST for crying out loud!!

Nothing has ever been any hotter than normal using the hoe or the loader.


Forgot.... you don't have to take of the sway arms when connecting the hoe. There are two bolts that have to be undone and then swing them out of the way.
 
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If the subframe to backhoe mounts get loose, you may have to replace the whole subframe. If your 3PH mounts get loose, its easy and inexpensive to replace arms or top mount bracket )</font>

That kinda stretching things, don't really see that happening. Suppose it did get loose, its' a simple matter to weld a bead and grind to fit. Again that sounds really over the top.

If you like the PTO pump, great get one. But its' nice to use that remote for other things like a dump trailer, HTL etc..

I suppose a 3pt might be ok for a real small hoe or something. After using my 9' hoe with the 3pt and then the subframe there was no question about what was right.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads #18  
Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

If you are doing enough backhoe work to be concerned about wearing out the attachment points, it doesn't make much sense to then figure you should get the lighter-duty 3pt backhoe. Your 3130 may be a bit light on hydraulic flow for the BH90, but it should not prevent you from doing most backhoe work, particularly if you are mostly using that small bucket. You will just move a bit slower, which is not always bad!

I'm not saying the 4690 3pt hoe is a bad unit. If you are only going to use it occasionally, the 4690 is a great light-medium duty backhoe. But after several weeks of duty digging stumps, I know the Kubota subframe hoe we just added to my L4610 was very much the right decision vs. the 4690.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads
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Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

CTyler,
Is there anyway you can get me a picture of the subframe or at least a detailed discription this weekend?
Yesterday I ordered a 4690 from my dealer but he said he wouldnt be able to order it from Kubota until Monday. As much as I hate to be a ********, I can probably still back out.
I wish I would have had this info sooner. the Woods dealer here doesnt seem to have many answers and no examples. He is also a Kubota dealer. Not the one I bought from but another that I didnt care to buy from, but he didnt seem real knowledgable about the Woods, or any BH for that matter. Woods website doesnt say anything about a subframe for that BH. With the 30 series being new, I havent been able to find any info on the subframe. Your post is actually the first hint of a subframe that fits a 30 series and doesnt require removal of all the 3PH stuff.
 
   / price for new BH90 w/12" bucket and street pads #20  
Re: price for new BH90 w/12\" bucket and street pads

Sorry I didn't read the board this weekend. I can take a pic tonight with the backhoe mounted and post it. Just put it on Friday evening to dig some french drains.

The subframe has two hooks on the bottom that the hoe sets into. The top has a hole where a large(1"?) bolt goes through. You lift the hoe up with the pads and back the tractor up then set the hoe in the hooks. Then use the boom to tip it up and slide in the bolts and tighten.

The subframe is 1/2" plate, doubled up in places, and bolts to the loader subframe and rear axle housing. I'll get pics cause I can't remember what else it connects to at the moment.
 

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