Pro union/Anti Union ?

[MessickFarmEqu]

Pro Onion, Anti-Union. Gov't regulations have replaced the need for unions. They only serve to prop up saleries for the good ole boys and protect lazy idiots from getting fired.

I am much more adverse to unions in Gov't situations because they can always raise taxes to meet union demands and stick the rest of us with the bill.

 

[slowrev]

I think the unions are somewhat contrary to capitalism and free enterprise.

So are child labor laws. Remember unions first began when children were worked in coal mines and such. check back in history, unions were caused by corporate abuse of workers.

I don't think many of us would like living in a country totally run by capitalism and free enterprise /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Bob_Skurka]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Pro Onion, Anti-Union. Gov't regulations have replaced the need for unions. They only serve to prop up saleries for the good ole boys and protect lazy idiots from getting fired.

I am much more adverse to unions in Gov't situations because they can always raise taxes to meet union demands and stick the rest of us with the bill. )</font>

I really wanted to stay out of this discussion, but Neal really hit my sore spot. I think a union shop at a private business may be good if the business owner takes advantage of the employees. But when we are talking about government jobs, then I get just a tiny bit more opinionated. Probably because I live in a highly unionized county and the government workers are some of the highest paid workers around as well getting far more benefits than private enterprise employees and guaranteed pay raises, all the while the govenment employees are virtually guaranteed never to be laid off, no matter how bad the economy, no matter how mismanged the governement entity and no matter if there is even a need for their service. Government employees should be subject the pressures of the market just like the rest of us. . . but then again I think we vote ALL the politicians of EVERY party out of office (even the ones I like) and start over with new people.

 

[MicroPilot]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( . . . but then again I think we vote ALL the politicians of EVERY party out of office (even the ones I like) and start over with new people.)</font>

HEAR!! HEAR!!

And then term limit the suckers to prevent "career" politicians!!

 

[BillyP]

Unions started out good but they don't know when to stop asking for more.

Where does it end:

2 weeks of vacation or 2 months?
Sick leave? 2 days a month or 10. Can you take a day off and call it a sick day? Can you save it up and retire early?
How many holidays should you get paid for? What if they declare new holidays, should that be added?
Emergency leave? Should it build up like Sick leave?
The list goes on and on.

I don't blame anyone for wanting all they can get but the time has come that people are going to have to suck it up.

One day soon you'll wake up and your job is being done by someone else in another country, if it hasn't already happened to you.

 

[DocHeb]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How did we get on onions? )</font>

Because onions are more related to rural living and tractors than unions.

Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions, but conflicting opinions about unions may get people's hackles up.

Because a post regarding "For Unions/Against Unions" comes very close to violating the intent of the "no religion or politics" rule of this web site for the World's Largest Tractor Community.

Because when this thread degrades and people get angry and it is locked down, and the thread is long forgotten, that anger will still percolate into the interpersonal relationships among some members of this forum.

 

[OrangeGuy]

DocHeb,

I fully agree! I am surprised that this discussion wasn't yanked at the very beginning. Let's get back to tractors.

OrangeGuy

 

[IrTxRx]

<font color="blue"> Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions </font>

I friggin' hate onions and all you pro-onion people too. I don't give a flip if it's sweet, green, red,wild, fresh or cured... all of 'em should be rounded up and burned in a diesel fueled frenzy. As for you Skurka and your garlic (plain or namby-pamby roasted), just see above!!!

Hating onions because I can!





(just kidding /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, I like onions and think fire roasted garlic is the best. P.S. when I don't have time to truly roast the garlic, I "roast/fry" it in real butter and then pour it all into mashed potatoes...yum, yum)

 

[Bob_Skurka]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Because nobody will be angry or mad at somebody regarding their opinion of onions </font>

I friggin' hate onions and all you pro-onion people too. I don't give a flip if it's sweet, green, red,wild, fresh or cured... all of 'em should be rounded up and burned in a diesel fueled frenzy. As for you Skurka and your garlic (plain or namby-pamby roasted), just see above!!!

Hating onions because I can!





(just kidding /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif, I like onions and think fire roasted garlic is the best. P.S. when I don't have time to truly roast the garlic, I "roast/fry" it in real butter and then pour it all into mashed potatoes...yum, yum) )</font>


Personally, I would have laughed harder and longer if you left out the little smiley face thingy and the whole PS thing. But then I thrive on sarcasm.

 

[Durbob]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( It kills me to know people there are getting paid $30 an hour to screw in some rivets. )</font>


They don't make $30 an hour /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif.
Rivets aren't "screwed in" /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif. )</font>

When you figure in Insurance with dental and optical and what...$3.00-$10.00 co-pay on presciptions and Dr. visits it adds up to way over $30.00 an hour. And most those jobs aren't skilled labor....like shooting in screws or whatever. I'm in Auto places all the time hauling parts and i can tell you most those guys couldn't work anywhere else. They are the biggest bunch of crybabies who couldn't actually work for a living if they had too. Maybe on the next post i'll tell you how i really feel. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif