Pro union/Anti Union ?

   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #81  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Maybe we should move this subject a little off base and discuss Social Security????? </font>
Junkman seems to have disappeared.
I don't know what social security the US has but maybe he is hiding out with lots of aliases collecting social sercurity. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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Daedong, I know the cultural differences between our two nations are vast, but obviously you didn't realize that Social Security is when a group of armed individuals go out together to a social event. By having our sidearms with us, we are obviously Secure and by going in groups we are being Social. Hence, SOCIAL SECURITY.
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #83  
That would be when I trade my labor all weekend doing "honey do projects" in exchange for a little union with my wife . . .
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #84  
I'm Anti-Union & Anti-Onion, just don't call me Auntie Dave.

Been a United Steel Worker and a Teamster while in college, and I agree with most of the anti-union statements made above.

Now for the important issue: when did fajitas become onion dominated at the expense of peppers? Man, you get some sizzling beef or chicken on a bed of onions with a single sliver of bell pepper. I decided to fight back. I make fajitas at home, and ignore that restaurant junk. We have a pepper garden with green, red & purple bells, jalapeno, chile, Hungarian wax, habanero, banana, garden salsa, cherry hot, & super cayanne peppers. I add a token onion, but I get that at Safeway. Depending on the pepper mixture, your mouth may feel like it got shot up with novacaine, but that's the price you pay for good fajitas. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #85  
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I will make no comments about Unions or Onions . /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #86  
For all intents and purposes, unions have outlived there necessity!!

I come from Pittsburgh and have watched that town just come apart at the seams. Most of the companies that have "given up" due to a few factors - plant infrasructure, shipping costs, and the cost of labor. One of the things that hasn't been discussed in the thread or me possibly missing it, is that with the older style union contracts (and accompanying white collar costs) negotiated sweet retirement packages for the employees. These packages provided some very nice benefits which typically were not fully funded and needed to be paid for by current company funds. Yes, some money was set aside, but as we know, the costs have gone up tremendously and guess what, we as the consumer have to pay for these costs. Just the way things work. There are more factors but in a nutshell, all of these costs drive up the cost of products.

I have worked in union shops and have been involved as part of the negotiating committee for a new contract. Very interesting process!! Very tedious process!! Very trying process!! This opened my eyes to how things work. The union steward in our shop was so pro-union that she could not separate the fact that she needed to "get the man" for as much as she thought was needed for everyone and what the rank and file really needed. Thank goodness cool heads prevailed and the rank and file thought through all of the issues and accepted a fair contract. The stewart just argued and argued that the union needed more money, more benefits, more everything without taking into consideration what the company was agreeing to and that the additional increases would be adverse to keeping the operation going. Needless to say, the steward was upset with everyone for accepting the contract and she lost some good friends over what she thought was best for them. Very silly!!

My dad worked in the steel mills for 38 years and retired on a disability retirement. He received two 13 week vacations!! Of course, he had the seniority and was lucky enough to get two 13 week vacations. From what I can remember, you were eligible to receive the 13 week vacations every five years and you had to take the time off all at once. The reason behind the extended vacation was to get more union employees. So, let me try to noodle the math. 13 weeks = ~3 months. 3 months = 1/4. Four quaters a year. Four quaters times 5 years = 20 quarters. 1/20th = 5%. That means that the company would have to hire 5% more people which would increase the rank and file by 5%. 5% more union people means 5% increase in dues, etc., etc.

I have observed that over the years a lot of companies have just given up keeping a operation going due to union bulliness. Does that make the companies good guys to save the bottom line - no!! Does that make the unions bad guys for being bullies - no!! I just means that both need to have some give and take. In my opinion for the most part, the unions have been at fault for their bulliness in driving work from their area.

It is up to the individual to decide if working for a company is the right thing to do. If the current job does not meet your needs, find a new one. There are plenty of opportunities to earn a decent living. You make your life what it is, no one else. Unions protect those who do not want to take responsibility for their actions.

Enough... the CEO is beckoning me to come out to garden - it's havesting time for the market.... later.

Terry
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #87  
I visited Pittsburgh last summer and was surprised to see how it was evolving into a new cleaner city. The steel mills are gone, and so is the smoke, but it seemed that Pittsburgh is making a come back.
There are still strong unions and onions out there. The teachers union is the one that comes to mine for me. Teachers work teaching for approximately half the year (185 days in MA) and when they retire, they will receive 80% to 90% of their salary for a retirement benefit if they have enough teaching time invested with the system. I was told that it is 80% in CT/MA and 90% in PA. I have no way to verify the PA figure. I do know that a friend of ours in CT claims she is making $75,000 per year as a 3rd grade classroom teacher in Manchester CT. That is $1442 per week for 52 weeks. When you deduct for the 3 summer months that they don't teach, and the Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring break, etc., that weekly salary jumps up quite a bit. Assuming that they teach 7 of the 9 months that school is open, that works out to $2678 per week for 28 weeks of work. That is $382 per day of work!! $47.75 per hour based on a 8 hour day!! I know that this might not be the average teacher salary throughout the country. I also know that MA, CT, and NY have some of the highest paid teachers in the country. As my friend, a retired principle has said, "the teachers union is the strongest union in the country". A first year teacher in Lowell MA with a BA degree starts at $32000 and the figure goes up from there depending on the degree of education and term of service to a maximum of $62000. They retire at 80%. Lowell is considered one of the lower paying school districts.
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   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #88  
Junkman, my wife just quit a career in commercial banking to become a teacher. Lowell, IN, not Lowell MA. With several advanced degrees, she is a High School teacher making $28,000. I'm sure with seniority she'd make more, but she has only been a teacher for one year. Somehow I doubt the teachers with seniority make more than double what she makes, and that is still less that you wrote about all the way through the system. But it doesn't come close to what she made as a banker, then again, she was the top producing private commercial banker at her bank so she did earn her keep. She quit because she wanted to make a difference, that's what got her to become a teacher.
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #89  
I was recently threatened with being barred from an exhibition hall and having my displays thrown in the dumpster because I plugged in my own extention cord. If I wanted to stay, I was required to unplug my cord and cease work till a union electrician arrived 20 minutes later to plug it back in.

Hard for me to have any respect an organization that condones such activities.
 
   / Pro union/Anti Union ? #90  
My turn to jump in, for whatever that's worth...

My wife has a masters degree in elementary education. She spent time teaching in a Catholic school at $15,000 a year (the going rate for all private schools in this area). Wanting to get into the public schools (better pay, better insurance, better retirement), so took a job as an hourly tutor, which required her to be a certified teacher.

At the end of each school year, as internal job postings went up, she would dutifully put in for the full time classroom positions. One year, they hired someone from another school district, who was also hired in as a coach too (you've got to have priorities!). The next year, they hired a recent college graduate for the position...

Because the pay scale is based on number of years experience and amount of education, they would have been required to pay her more. The superintendent of the school district told her to her face that "how much experience or education doesn't matter, it's all about the money."

Should the school district have hired someone from within before looking to hire from outside first? The "teachers association" (is union a bad word now?) told her there was nothing they could do about it. Nothing they could do??? Isn't that they kind of things they are supposed to do? Isn't that what her dues go to pay?
 

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