Problem With New Yanmar??

[Travis_R]

I NEVER EVER intended for all this to happen.......THIS HAS GOTTEN TOTALLY BLOWN UP OVER SOMETHING THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED.......Almost everyone is at fault some, including myself .............But I still stand firm...........and I will continue to back RCO Tractor, for as long as they continue to back me, just like they have been doing...........

..........All I intended to do was to find out why my tractor was running hot........THAT IS IT...........I wanted people with opinions, and with experience on working on/with Yanmar tractors, INCLUDING the dealers..........But I see now that no one but a selected few seems to want to support Vietnam Reconditioned tractors AND that you can't mix opinions and facts on a message board.........It just won't work.



Do I support "Gray Market" tractors?............................................YES
Do I support Vietnam Reconditioned Gray Market tractors?...............YES
Do I support Un-Reconditioned Gray Market tractors?......................YES
Does YANMAR support ANY Gray Market tractor?............NO, DEFINITELY NOT

This is what I mean.......We, the people, are what keeps this business alive whether it be good or bad, whoever likes/accepts it, and whoever don't......THATS the bottom line, period.....We ALL should stick together to KEEP this GOOD thing we got going.

I won't leave anyone hanging.....I personally despise that (like the end of some movies)......I WILL post the conclusion of my outcome......(my radiator is being rodded out in my local rad. shop now, paid for by RCO Tractor)


I APPRECIATE THE ONES WHO KEPT A GOOD HEAD ON THEIR SHOULDERS DURING ALL THIS CONFLICT........It Is YOU who keep the people informed with honesty, even when it gets down to the nitty gritty.

SOUNDGUY, you have a lot of sense........YOU have NOT ONE TIME bashed my tractor, dealer, or where the tractor came from..............He has told me all he knows about my overheating situation...........MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU, SOUNDGUY, you understood it / took it like a man and did EXACTLY what I was asking.

Danny Parker, I put you right there with him.


I STARTED THIS THREAD AND I THINK ITS TIME TO END IT........PROBABLY BEEN TIME TO DO SO..................

I APOLOGIZE TO ANY AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHOM I OFFENDED...........IF YOU WAS TO KNOW ME PERSONALLY, YOU WOULD FIND OUT QUICK THAT I AM NOT THAT TYPE OF PERSON.........I JUST DON'T TAKE ANY BULL OFF OF NO ONE.....

EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE AND NICE DAY......And keep tractoring!

Travis R

 

[pruntyc]

No, this in not what makes us believe this way, it is many things, starting way before this. This just confirms what we have been hearing from very reliable people before this ever came up. I don't say that all the vet recons are junk, just a very large part of them. It's like reaching into a basket of apples, with your eyes closed, you don't know if you will get a good one, or a bad one. I personally wouldn't want to take the chance when we have so many dealers that are only carrying used ones, instead of recons. As most all the used ones are in pretty good shape, without rebuilding them.


Well, you've put pretty eloquently what Ive been trying to say afterall. Thanks for the well worded perspective.

edie and dick, the point i'm making is that this whole thread is inconclusive, there is no method to the troubleshooting, and a lot of it is emotion driven (at least seems to be)... However, if you choose to use this as criteria from which to make decisions, so be it, you guys are the experts.... LOL... but to me, that's just nutty!!!

..LOL...[/QUOTE]

 

[pruntyc]

I guess what he is saying is, that outside of Soundguy, and Danny, the rest of us don't have good sense. I guess if he wants to ask anymore questions from now on, he should just email those two and not put it on a public forum.

 

[EFC]

Travis, this is a very common problem on the vietcon rebuilds. It is usually the first thing on the service order. Why? Lots of reasons but a common one I have seen in Vietnam was since the tractors are stacked directly on top of each other (on the trip to Vietnam) in the containers no second floor, the radiators are subject to destruction. Literally being smashed by the tractor sitting on top of them. Also remember these tractors didn’t go to Vietnam because they were in good condition they went there because they were deemed “not repairable” and would normally have been sold for scrap.

If the radiator has a leaky rib they pull the top and bottom off the radiator and solder the rib closed. We have seen radiators that look beautiful with only maybe two or three ribs still open. Also, they dip the radiators in paint and the thick layer of paint impedes cooling significantly. Next are the head gaskets. We routinely see homemade head gaskets that block water passages to the head. We have also seen over boring of the liners. It was a few years ago but we pulled the pistons out of an overheating motor and found they had used pistons from a different size engine. Since the rods didn’t fit they were cut and welded on to the original rods. Anything is fair game to get it running. If your radiator doesn’t solve the problem go to the head gasket next.

I have never had a YM2000 overheat with a 5 foot mower. In fact it is my favorite combination. I have more than a few of them at my ranch. Remember horsepower is just the rate at which you do something torque is the actual power or work performed. We have ran the YM2000 on our shop dyno and the torque curve is significantly higher than the larger 3 cylinder yanmar. The big reason we don’t sell 5 foot mowers below 20hp is PTO gear size. If the PTO gearing is a lighter duty than the mower guess what breaks when the mower gets bound up. The YM2000 does not have that problem. I told you that if you had to buy a Vietcon tractor that the YM2000 was my pick and that is why.

In another thread arthr31 asked me to list the good and bad dealers as we see it based on our service records. In a million years I would never do that. For two reasons. One, it is unethical as a fellow dealer and it is my opinion not fact (and as everyone knows I like facts not hearsay), and second is that it is saying the product is legitimate just the dealer is good or bad and that is defiantly not true. I have seen fabulous dealers sell crap. Doesn’t make the product good just might make it more bearable? I fell for the Chinese market when it was first coming out. I was one of the first. And I think of myself as a good dealer but honestly 5 years down the road it was a complete failure. The product just was not good. None of customers will ever suffer, they got a super price but I can assure you supporting them long term will cost me more than I ever made.

I have no real qualms with RCO and haven’t viewed any, I don’t compete with them in any way (since I don’t sell outside of the northwest). I disagree with the product. Not because I compete with it but because I know the con behind it. I am not calling RCO cons I am sure they believe their product is legit just like I persuaded myself to believe Chinese tractors were legit. RCO is a fairly new company and they will change as they grow or they will go away. To me it doesn’t matter. Would I like to see them stop selling vietcons, for sure, would I like to see them out of business, no way! It would be nice if they stop advertising “no sales tax is owed on out of state sales”. In Washington State you still owe the tax no matter where you bought it and they do catch people all the time. I hear the horror stories.

I just got back from my monthly purchasing trip to Japan. I was able to meet the president of Yanmar. Vietcon rebuilds are at the top of their list as far as threats to their brand name. They realize when the tractor brakes down the first person blamed is Yanmar for building such a crappy tractor (if you don’t believe me go back and read through posts). In the past the tractors have been coming in to the US and Yanmar defiantly doesn’t like it but their good name has gotten better not worse. In the last year that tide has started to turn and not just for Yanmar, all Brands are affected. The amount of people complaining directly to Yanmar has gone up. Yanmar actually gets emails saying that their reconditioning process is crap from both customers and believe it or not dealers, even though Yanmar has nothing to do with it. This has put importation bans back at the top of Yanmar’s to do list.

Travis if you were close I would fix your tractor for free just to see this thread go away I guarantee when I was done it would run your 5 foot mower and 6 foot finish mower with no problem, of course an ounce of speed restraint would be helpful. I sure hope you get your tractor fixed and in the long term you are happy. I know I am. Call anytime if you need anything.

Kings are runnin and I’m going fishing

Buck

 

[arthr31]

dick, let it go. your community building skills are astounding... ;-|
Give the kid a break already...

I wish I could add more techically for travis, but at having only run yanmars for 2 years, I'm still learning, and from each and everyone one of you, sometimes a lot, sometimes subtley...

Your comment just snuffs out that hope that we'll have a community of yanmar owners, whether US, recon, non-recon,etc. This isn't an exclusive site... Don't suggest that you make it exclusive by ignoring or fencing off someone who doesn't see you perspective...

so, dick, how's the john deere forum going ?
LOL...


P.S. Nice Post, EFC. i appreciate the answer from a few threads ago, what I figured anyway.. Hope you catch some fish...

I guess what he is saying is, that outside of Soundguy, and Danny, the rest of us don't have good sense. I guess if he wants to ask anymore questions from now on, he should just email those two and not put it on a public forum.

 

[HGM]

..........All I intended to do was to find out why my tractor was running hot........THAT IS IT...........I wanted people with opinions, and with experience on working on/with Yanmar tractors, INCLUDING the dealers..........But I see now that no one but a selected few seems to want to support Vietnam Reconditioned tractors AND that you can't mix opinions and facts on a message board.........It just won't work.


I APOLOGIZE TO ANY AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHOM I OFFENDED...........
Travis R

Well, from my point of veiw I see allot of reason for folks to be insulted... We have tried to help you find out whats wrong with your tractor.. The Recon thing was a minor sidebar to the overheating issue...You guys have made this a recon issue more than most of us.. I will say though that they arent gaining any fans by me... I also totally agree that this has gone on way too long....

 

[Soundguy]

I guess what he is saying is, that outside of Soundguy, and Danny, the rest of us don't have good sense. I guess if he wants to ask anymore questions from now on, he should just email those two and not put it on a public forum.

Please exclude me ( or anyone else.. specifically named ) from any mud slinging.. I'm staying out of the firefight here... lets all play nice.

Soundguy

 

[Travis_R]

Buck,

I really appreciate what you said......That was some really good words...Thank You....

Even if I did live close enough for you to fix my tractor, I would not let/nor want you to fix it simply because it is RCO's problem, and its under warranty........That is the only reason why..........The only thing I would want is your knowledge as to why its running hot........Again, that was extremely nice of you..........You seem to be a straight forward, honest man.................We need more people like you.


To Eddie and Dick:

Fellers,

I now understand your viewpoints......I will say I am sorry, again....... I just wish Ya'll could understand my frustration and what i'm going through.......It don't take much to get me worried about things and to give me the red *****......I am 22 years old and have high blood pressure, that I DO take medicine for, (keep quiet, I'm trying to get my CDL license!) that has been going on for a while now.......I've had it since i was 19 or 20............So, try to imagine how all of this bull with my new tractor and some of the replies on here causes me to feel, not to mention situations at home and work..............I bet ya'll get a good nights sleep don't ya'?

I AM NOT ASKING NOR DO I WANT anyone's pitty......I might ask for a prayer or 3, but thats it......And thats all I need anyway to get through this.

I can not afford to put out ANY money on my tractor.........I CAME SO CLOSE of NOT being able to get it.........I told Stuart that I couldn't afford to make a mistake on buying a tractor.......I know he understood...........This is why we are in the process of getting this issue resolved.......

Again, I apologize for acting the way I did.........It was childish and selfish..........I didn't realize the way ya'll, and several others felt towards Viet Yanmars........I had to look at it from both sides of the coin.......

LMTC and kenmac, I am sorry to ya'll also.............


My name is Travis R. from LA. I have a Yanmar tractor. It is a "gray market" ZenNoh YM2000 that needs some attention............

But what I need to know is IS THERE ANY ONE ON HERE WHO WOULD RATHER SEE ME NOT PARTICIPATE ON THIS FORUM?? I will walk away from it right now if ya'll want me too.......At this point in time, I can honestly say that I wouldn't have a problem with it..........I don't really feel 'supported' on this forum anyway, just because everyone knows where my tractor came from.

I could stick with the Mahindra forum, like I've been doing for a couple years now, but its not much talking on there.......But HEY, I guess no talking would be better than in the middle of a bunch of crap Trying to talk!!

Later,

Travis R

 

[arthr31]

words to go by, i'm silent from here... Travis, like I've said, work the issue thru the dealer, they'll help you, good luck, contact me if you need to...

Please exclude me ( or anyone else.. specifically named ) from any mud slinging.. I'm staying out of the firefight here... lets all play nice.

Soundguy

 

[pruntyc]

No Travis, no one wants you to go away. Hey I'm 72, and I'm not about to tell you, I never made a mistake. Yes I have bought things that I should have bought better, we all do that, and learn by it. I only mouthed off, because of the wording you gave, it sounded like there was the only two guys that had any sense. OK you have problems, I have some serious ones myself right now. And sometimes we let our own problems get in our way of good judgement. So what I'm saying is I'm sorry, I'll try to treat you better.