Projected Pipeline

   / Projected Pipeline #81  
The state of Texas has given them the right of eminent domain.

Have they? Is this something Texas has done generically for pipelines? Or has it been granted specifically for this pipeline? If they have already been granted eminent domain then personally I'd go elsewhere, or offer a good bit less than 15% off. Probably more like 50% off. I think I'd only pay an amount that assumed the pipeline rendered the land something I wouldn't want to keep.

Also, put yourself in the seller's shoes. The property is not tainted, and they are unlikely to get other buyers. So they may just take what they can get.
 
   / Projected Pipeline #82  
They can pay what they want with their justification. The state of Texas has given them the right of eminent domain.


This is an interstate pipeline (TX to LA) therefore it is subject to federal law, not TX. The letter that I received specifically states "The project is under the jurisdiction of the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission ("FERC") and is regulated by the Natural Gas Act 15 U.S.C. [Section] 717, among other federal regulations."

As I said above, it is my understanding that they will have eminent domain (from the Federal Government) when the FERC grants their permit. They will attempt to lock-in landowners through negotiation before they receive eminent domain and that is when the landowner has the most leverage.

If I didn't already own this property, I certainly would not buy it with a possible pipeline ROW coming in the next 2 - 4 years.
 
   / Projected Pipeline #83  
The pipeline I was referring to goes north and south and is only in Tx.
It is ahead of the pipeline mentioned by the op and a lot of it is welded together and ready to be buried.
 
   / Projected Pipeline #84  
Recently settled with a major East Coast natural gas pipeline that crosses my property - if it ever gets out of court. ( I keep the money regardless...) If you decided to get the property - and I personally expect no negatives really from the pipeline on my property - I would talk to the pipeline agents and get their highest and best offer, THEN call an attorney. All of the affected landowners around here have pretty much done that. The attorneys then negotiate on your behalf - and there are a lot of things the average person doesn't think about or opportunities that wouldn't occur to you. The attorney then gets a third of any settlement figure he gets ABOVE your own highest and best offer. You can't really lose. You could possibly negotiate the same figure if you knew the ins and outs, but you'd be saving only the third of the increase. A lawyer just makes sense. My settlement was for a 99 year lease which also helped my tax guy keep my taxes low. The ROW was about 60 feet with a little extra during construction - and federal regs require them to restore the land. In my case it crosses pasture and rocky forest. Under the easement, I can drive almost any normal farm equipment over it anywhere and gain a nice open drive through some rough woodland. Like most, I would just as soon the pipeline went elsewhere, but it is coming here so I just make the best of it I can. The settlement was - to me - substantial and left me debt free, and was many times the appraised value of the land involved - and adjoining acres. Yet nothing will change in how I use the land. I too value privacy and quiet, aside from what could be a month of construction, I don't believe this pipeline will affect me negatively at all. I'll let you know in a year or two if the SCOTUS allows the line to go forward.
 
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#85  
My neighbor has a pipeline on his property and the edge of the ROW is our property line. He uses it mostly as a road to get from one end of his place to another. The pipeline people saw that he was using this as a road and told him that he couldn't drive on it anymore. He took them to court and won. That was awhile ago. Last year they informed him that he needed to tap the line to run another line to the local town that already has a gas line from a different pipe. The mayor told him that the city is broke and cannot afford to run anything there. This is not for the city, but the pipeline people used the city to increase the size of the ROW to 100 x100 feet of surface area to build the gas tap. They offered him $10,000 and he took them to court and said that the final cost was $30,000 I have no idea if this is accurate, or what the lawyer cost him. He said that he would keep them tied up in court for years, but a month after talking to him, they started construction.

What he did learn about the pipeline is that it was needed to build a plant that converts plastic bags and bottles into oil that can be used to make gasoline. This is one of those Green Energy programs created under the Obama Administration to fight man made global warming. He wasn't able to find out how much money they are spending on this, but there is a time limit on how long the Federal money is available to build this plant. Having the natural gas from the pipeline was crucial to being able to do this. The plant is being built about 5 miles away, next to another natural gas pipeline that didn't have the high quality of natural gas that this one does. They took that land by the same Eminent Domain process, but I don't know any of the details. Just that it's several acres in size. They finished the gas tap and ran the new pipe line along the County Road last year and construction on the plant is still going on.

Just speculating based on what I've been told by my neighbor and the guys who work for the city where they get there natural gas, they all think this is just a big government funded money spending disaster that will close down as soon as they run out of Federal money to support it. What happens to all of it when that happens? Or what happens if it's successful and they decide to build more plants?

And to my point, if you have a pipe line on your property, you will never know what could happen in the future. There is no limit to what the Government will spend to waste money, or any restrictions on what they can take from you if they have a reason to do so. Whatever you think you have in a contract with them is only as good as the day when they decided they want something different. While this is true for every piece of land, having the pipeline on your land just makes it more likely.

For me, there is a bonus to this. Where they put the tap for the pipeline means that if they widen the road in front of my place, they would have to relocate that tap in order to take land away from me. There is a big study being done by the State of Texas right now with $5 million dollars set aside to study how to turn 2 lanes into 4 lanes for emergency evacuation during a natural disaster. There is also a big push to build a toll road in my area. The tap on the pipeline will make it very difficult for them to take the land on my side of the road.

This was my concern.
 
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#86  
The exact route may not be nailed down yet. With 625 miles of pipeline and 6 compressor stations, according to the filing, you should be able to rough guess where they would be in relation to your property. We got a notice of a new overhead electric transmission line might come across our property. In the end it didn't. It ended up several miles away from our property.

I am hoping the line won't cross but I just can't tell. The line itself won't bother me as long as I have peace & quiet!
 
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#87  
Think you're looking at this the wrong way when you state "protecting my legacy".

If you have a crap load of money and you want to keep your name with something for your family through out decades, perhaps a century or so, look to buy something else per the information you've given so far.

Perhaps I could have said that differently. Kids will have inheritance. I wouldn't want to put $500k into a property that doesn't appreciate at a reasonable pace due to a pipeline. That's a lot of money to leave on the table IF I don't get the peace and quiet I'm looking for AND the kids lose money at the end of my life. I don't mind putting money into something and not getting it all out. Every asset doesn't have to have capital appreciation but if there is no appreciation, I expect some value elsewhere...in this case, peace, quiet and enjoyment.
 
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#88  
Seems like the OP is just interested in a compressor station not ending up on his property.
The local municipality probably has the detail of the project filed with them and would probably let you look at it if you find the right person.
That should resolve your question.

Thanks! That is all I'm worried about. I don't want noise basically.
 
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#89  
This where the "proposed" Compressor Stations are to be located. News

Thanks. I need to drill down further on the map. The CS5 appears to be pretty close to the land but that could be 100 feet or 10 miles. Do you know how I can expand the map with detail? I appreciate this!
 
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#90  
Have they? Is this something Texas has done generically for pipelines? Or has it been granted specifically for this pipeline? If they have already been granted eminent domain then personally I'd go elsewhere, or offer a good bit less than 15% off. Probably more like 50% off. I think I'd only pay an amount that assumed the pipeline rendered the land something I wouldn't want to keep.

Also, put yourself in the seller's shoes. The property is not tainted, and they are unlikely to get other buyers. So they may just take what they can get.

I offered quite a bit less...turns out the sellers wouldn't budge.
 

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