proof of sex

[dixiedrifter]

As much as I dislike game wardens, I think he was probably right to issue a citation.

In a case like this, the deer should have been dropped off at the processors first then to the taxidermist, or have the nuts still attached in a bag to keep the hair from getting all over everything.

I'd say he got off easy myself, the game warden could have issued citations for killing deer out of season, spotlighting, seized the vehicle, or any other number of bad things.

 

[FL_Cracker]

I thought there was a chemical test for sex. Might be worth the effort to clear record.

 

[MikePA]

Guess a number of people can't read the Texas Game Law. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

It's not what was done, it's the order it was done.

<font color="red"> The following is considered proof of sex and must accompany the carcass until it reaches its final destination and is finally processed:

the head (skinned or unskinned) of a buck deer with antlers attached; </font>

Getting the head (or other body parts), doing a blood test, etc. in order to prove the gender of the deer are irrelevant. The head, with antlers, was supposed to be left on the carcass until seen by the game warden. It wasn't. Therefore the game law was broken. The only thing left to do is to argue the penalty.

 

[roho]

Virgil this is not directed at you or U'r brother because ya'll probably got the rules/laws down pat now!!!!!
But when confused(others) Please refer to BIRDS answer in message #546344! Those guys(GW) have a touch job and No ONE knows the situation in their area! Ole yeah, did I say those guys got a touch job! Let me see, GET 2 pack a gun, drive a 4 wheel drive truck, stay in woods all day long and jack with John Q. Public!!! while their counter part in town gets to hang around donut shop all day long!!!(just kidding on both counts, I think)!

 

[KubotaSteve]

I would think a warning would have been more appropriate in this situation. This would have sent a message to me as to why bother checking the deer at all. I realize some mistakes were made in preparing the deer for check-in, but it was getting late and dark and he was probably pretty pumped getting a nice deer. I wouldn't think anyone would be dumb enough to try to check in a doe out of season and the game warden should have known. It sounds to be as if this game warden is like some we have around here and want to show their power and authority. Just my penny's worth.

 

[virgil]

MikePa hit the nail on the head. It's not WHAT was done, it's the ORDER it was done.

Little brother screwed up. Little brother got caught. Little brother got all worked up and forgot about procedures when the biggest buck of his life presented itself.

Maby little brother can "keep his head" next time.

I love my little brother, but he droped the ball this time.

Yep, Game Wardens are tough, game laws are tough.

------OUCH! ----says my little brother-----------

virgil

 

[MikePA]

<font color="blue"> It sounds to be as if this game warden is like some we have around here and want to show their power and authority. </font>
Re-read what the game warden found in the truck and try putting yourself in his position. Headless deer, can't determine gender, radios, and a head light. What would you conclude, keeping in mind a game regulation has already been broken.

If he wanted to 'show his power and authority' he would have done some, or all, of the things others in this thread mentioned, e.g., confiscate the truck.

 

[turnkey4099]

Yep. Screw up, pay the piper and don't whine about it. Big brother might have to educate little brother a bit about personal responsibility and make sure he reads the game regs. Requirement for proof of sex is (usually) not hidden down in the small print.

I don't get the guys who knock game wardens. Without them we would have no game to hunt due to the slobs.

Harry K

 

[fishman]

Virgil,

That is a tough lesson to learn, and it sounds like you and your little brother have a good attitude about it. Too bad the game warden wasn't a little more lenient or helpful.

I'm really surprised the taxidermist didn't provide a receipt. That is acceptable in lieu of proof of sex as described on page 61 of the 2004-2005 Texas Outdoor Annual, and mentioned by Stephenf above. Didn't he have something from the taxidermist to prove he dropped the deer head off? I mean, how is the taxidermist supposed to remember whose goes with what? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif The receipt simply needs to show who killed the deer, the date it was killed, and whether the deer was a buck or not.

If he had that on his person and the game warden didn't ask for it, perhaps your little brother could call the warden and politely inform him of that fact. If that doesn't work, I would go to court with the receipt and the outdoor annual. Better than a game law violation on his record.

A point of clarification. In Texas, one is not required to check in a deer. Virgil's brother was dropping his deer off at a processing plant.

 

[virgil]

Taxidermist did not provide a reciept because taxidermist was not at home / work when little brother stuck the head in the freezer. (2nd of several mistakes of little brotther).

My personal opinion..... Game warden WAS lienent. Game warden COULD have really got into little brothers rear.

Good thing little brother is old and wise enough to properly speak to the law officer.

I got a $100.00 says that little brother will not make that mistake again!

virgil