PTO Generator

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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My mind has been made up. I got a sign of sorts last night. We brought our newborn son home last afternoon, and the first night in the house the power went out. Fortunately this storm wasn't a winter storm and they were able to get the power back on in 3 hours. Had there been the kind of weather they had here last year - it could very easily been much longer. As soon as I finish this message, I am ordering the PTO generator. I will also buy a small generator that is sized to fit the pump at the pumphouse, and build a little generator house for it. )</font>

I was similarly inspired after Loma Preta back in 91. I went out and bought a small portable generator. I have since been looking at pto gensets.

Turns out that the portable generator has been more than sufficient for my needs. The only thing that has changed since getting the tractor is I carry it in the FEL instead of by hand. I am equally sure that my opinion would change if were were subjected to multi day outtages in foul weather around here.

The one thing I would add to the already extensive discussion here is ... how much fuel do you keep on hand, and how do you store it?

I keep two 5 gallon gerry cans of gasoline in a shed 100 ft from my house. That will run my portable generator for 2-4 days depending on duty cycle. I pour the fuel from them into the minivan and refill them once or twice a year. I also add stabil or the equivalent to the cans. I can also siphon some out of one of the cars. Diesel is another story. I don't store any in the shed. I use 2-3 gallons a year in the tractor so it makes no sense to store any extra. I recently purchased a diesel truck so have an average of 30 gallons in the two tanks. Prior to that a PTO genset would only have been good for a days worth of partial duty cycle before I was out of diesel and no ready supply.

Anyway, please consider your fuel situation as part of your buying decision. A weeks fuel for a PTO genset is something on the order of 30-50 gallons that I would have to "cycle" once or twice a year. I can do that now that I have the diesel truck. Can you?
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I use 2-3 gallons a year in the tractor so it makes no sense to store any extra. I recently purchased a diesel truck so have an average of 30 gallons in the two tanks. Prior to that a PTO genset would only have been good for a days worth of partial duty cycle before I was out of diesel and no ready supply.
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How in hades are you only using 2-3 gallons a year in your tractor? I use more than that a week!

I currently have 3, 5-gallon containers in various stages of fill. I do not expect to have any real issues with storing diesel in such containers. I suppose I can get organized about it and be sure that I am using the oldest fuel first, but frankly I've not any problems thus far.

If I stored the fuel in a manner that allowed easier water absorbtion, I'd handle things a bit differently, but as it is I am not currently concerned about the fuel aspect. I will probably use a gasoline genny for the pump though. The pump is on a completely different meter and is 650 ft away from the house.
 
   / PTO Generator #43  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">(
Anyway, please consider your fuel situation as part of your buying decision. A weeks fuel for a PTO genset is something on the order of 30-50 gallons that I would have to "cycle" once or twice a year. I can do that now that I have the diesel truck. Can you? )</font>
Get a Gen that runs on Natural gas and you won't have to worry about a fuel supply.
 
   / PTO Generator #44  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( </font><font color="blueclass=small">( I use 2-3 gallons a year in the tractor so it makes no sense to store any extra. I recently purchased a diesel truck so have an average of 30 gallons in the two tanks. Prior to that a PTO genset would only have been good for a days worth of partial duty cycle before I was out of diesel and no ready supply.
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1*How in hades are you only using 2-3 gallons a year in your tractor? I use more than that a week!

2*If I stored the fuel in a manner that allowed easier water absorbtion, I'd handle things a bit differently, but as it is I am not currently concerned about the fuel aspect. )</font>

1*I wondered that too.

2*Do you filter your fuel?
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Get a Gen that runs on Natural gas and you won't have to worry about a fuel supply. )</font>

As mentioned previously, I only have electric here. No LP or Propane or natural gas of any kind.

Perhaps I could consider it for the pump generator though. It depends on how much storage and propane I'd need to buy to run the thing for a week. Also, I don't know that I've seen propane generators that small.
 
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not to anybody in particular...
How hard on the tractor would it be to run this PTO generator for a 3-4 day power outage?
 
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Propane powered generators require a sizeable tank in order for enough propane to vaporize in cold weather to run them. Just slight disadvantage on propane. However if you have a tank full of propane handy it is not as likely to go offline as natural gas in an earthquake situation, where lines in the gound break. Just some ramblings on the subject.

Ben
 
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I would think that as long as the tractor doesn't overheat, it should be fine. Diesel motors are generally speaking just fine with continuous running. It is common practice for truck drivers to run theirs non-stop except when fueling - including when sleeping etc if it is hot or cold outside.

I just ran some numbers and I think that these are generally true:

* Gasoline generators tend to be 15% quieter (based on dB at 23ft and full load on 5KW gens, 1 Honda, 1 Yanmar)
* Gasoline generators use 45% more fuel per KW - This really shouldn't be that shocking. There is a lot more energy in diesel fuel (btus). This is why there are Mercedes sedans that get 40+mpg

LP and NG will probably tend to have less motor fatigue than either diesel and gasoline. This effect has been proven with all the NG conversions in California. The general rule is that a car converted to NG brand new will run 10x or longer than straight gasoline. NG doesn't leave the carbon buildups, or have a soup of different chemicals in it like gasoline or diesel does.

I just found this guide @ http:/www.nooutage.com/fuels.htm
 
   / PTO Generator #49  
I think it's fairly safe to say that as long as there is good air flow around the tractor, this is probably some of the easiest service the engine will ever see. Deere and Kubota engines are used frequently on generators around the world. Ran mine for two days straight, except shut it off at night, in May of this year with no problems. Probably the easiest 32 hours the tractor is ever gonna see. Felt so independent, almost wished the outage lasted longer. (oops, for some of you Detroit Edison customers, it did). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Regarding you well pump application, Northern (among others) has several "Tri-Fuel" portable generators that can operate on Propane or Natural gas as well as Gasoline. They can be switched back and forth at will. (Dual-Fuel models are Propane or Natural gas only)

You can run them on the 100 lb bottles (the biggest "portable" size) which you take to get filled rather than a delivery truck coming out to you. You can even set it up to use two tanks and automatically switch from the empty to the full tank as travel trailers do.

Congratulations on new Son!!
 

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