Question for 5R Series Tractor Owners
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My delivery date should be around the first two weeks of May.
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Got invited to a Deere Demo day at my local dealer. It was a regional event that covered the 5R tractor line up. They had customers and dealer personnel there from the tri state area. They went over a lot of the features of the tractor and gave each customer a chance to operate the tractor and loader. I have to say I`m extremely impressed thus far. The transmission is fantastic. Well worth the upgrade over the M.
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I don't get the wheel setup on the 5 series you pictured?? The rears are set out as wide as they'll go in those pics with what appears to be a narrow tread width??? The fronts on the other hand can be set out considerably wider??
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All of mbarber84's pics appear to have the same rear wheel. Set out to it's widest position and still a very narrow stance. Am I missing something?? The center is dish out. The rim is out. It's even on the outside of the center.
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The tractor shown inside has (380/85R24) 14.9R24 Michelin AgriBib front tires and (420/85R38) 16.9R38 Michelin Agribib Rear tires. The fronts are set at what the manual would refer to as position "F" which sets the dish facing out, mounting ring on the tire outboard positon, and the dish connected at the back of the ring. This would give the front a center to center spacing of 70.7 Inches. The rears, as you said, are set at position "H" which is the maximum width setting (70.6 Inches center to center)
So in terms of aligning the treads, this would be correct. As it sits, based on the width of the given tires, the outside edges of the tires are almost perfectly aligned. The rears are just slightly wider. It is true, that the fronts could be set wider if so desired, but its common, at least in this area for operators to want the treads aligned front to back center line. Also, by the way it is shown, you still get decent stability on the front axle on grades, but without pushing the front tires beyond the width of the rear tires. Anything wider than what is shown would have a negative effect on turning radius as well. Keep in mind that one of the primary purposes for this new series of tractor is to create a very compact footprint, with excellent maneuverability in tight spaces. In this part of the country we also have to contend with hills and fairly steep grades. So I`m assuming the dealer that owned this machine tried to find a balance between lateral stability and maneuverability. To be honest, when my machine arrives, I will most likely be spacing my front and rear tires at exactly the same positions for the exact reasons I mentioned above. My 5075M I replaced with the incoming 5125R had its wheels set this way as well. Very common arrangement in our region. Anyone doing small scale row crop in this area would want the front and rear tires aligned one in front of the other as well, although they may set the overall width narrower based on the crop spacing being worked.
The tractor shown outside has a completely different wheel and tire configuration from the one inside. The one shown outside has (380/70R24) Michelin OmniBib front tires and (480/70R34) Michelin OmniBib rear tires. The spacing however, is set the same front and back.
From what I`ve read on Michelin`s website, the AgriBib is more of your in-field tire designed for working ground and general tractor work, whereas the OmniBib is designed primarily as an agricultural loader tire for tractors doing predominantly continuous loader work. Both tires are radial design and have the R1W tread pattern.
I`ve attached two pictures of identically spec`d tractors I found on MachineFinder for comparison. The first one has the same tires and wheels as the one shown outside in my previous post. The second has the same tire and wheel spec as the one shown inside the showroom in my previous post. You can see from the side views the tires are different both in size and design.
So in terms of aligning the treads, this would be correct. As it sits, based on the width of the given tires, the outside edges of the tires are almost perfectly aligned. The rears are just slightly wider. It is true, that the fronts could be set wider if so desired, but its common, at least in this area for operators to want the treads aligned front to back center line. Also, by the way it is shown, you still get decent stability on the front axle on grades, but without pushing the front tires beyond the width of the rear tires. Anything wider than what is shown would have a negative effect on turning radius as well. Keep in mind that one of the primary purposes for this new series of tractor is to create a very compact footprint, with excellent maneuverability in tight spaces. In this part of the country we also have to contend with hills and fairly steep grades. So I`m assuming the dealer that owned this machine tried to find a balance between lateral stability and maneuverability. To be honest, when my machine arrives, I will most likely be spacing my front and rear tires at exactly the same positions for the exact reasons I mentioned above. My 5075M I replaced with the incoming 5125R had its wheels set this way as well. Very common arrangement in our region. Anyone doing small scale row crop in this area would want the front and rear tires aligned one in front of the other as well, although they may set the overall width narrower based on the crop spacing being worked.
The tractor shown outside has a completely different wheel and tire configuration from the one inside. The one shown outside has (380/70R24) Michelin OmniBib front tires and (480/70R34) Michelin OmniBib rear tires. The spacing however, is set the same front and back.
From what I`ve read on Michelin`s website, the AgriBib is more of your in-field tire designed for working ground and general tractor work, whereas the OmniBib is designed primarily as an agricultural loader tire for tractors doing predominantly continuous loader work. Both tires are radial design and have the R1W tread pattern.
I`ve attached two pictures of identically spec`d tractors I found on MachineFinder for comparison. The first one has the same tires and wheels as the one shown outside in my previous post. The second has the same tire and wheel spec as the one shown inside the showroom in my previous post. You can see from the side views the tires are different both in size and design.
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I opted for the 14.9R24 Michelin AgriBib front tire, and the 18.4R34 Michelin AgriBib rear tire combination. The 16.9R38 rear wheels actually will hold less ballast than the 18.4R34, which is why I selected them. (1,000 pounds of rimguard in the 18.4R34, as opposed to 900 pounds in the 16.9R38)
In terms of the rims themselves, the rim used is dependant upon the tire selected. The larger 38 inch wheels must require stronger mounting points or a more uniform mounting ring, which is why they have the full ring instead of the 4 point mounting tabs (at least thats my guess) I have Rack & Pinion Cast 38" wheels on both of my 6420`s with 18.4R38 tires so I cant say whether or not the 38 inch steel flanged wheels have them or not.
After driving the tractor for about an hour I can tell you that this is one smooth, strong, quiet, and comfortable machine. Less than 72Db inside the cab at full engine RPM! The transmission is superb, although I`m happy I went with the CommandQuad Manual 16/16 instead of the Command8 32/16. The auto mode of the command8 was neat to drive, but in hilly terrain I think it would be doing too much "gear searching" because the transmission and engine are tuned to work in tandem to achieve maximum fuel efficiency. I was able to take it up a few slopes at the test circuit, and when going up hill, the transmission had to drop a range a few times, which resulted in a momentary pause in forward motion, followed by a rather abrupt lurch forward once the shift was completed. Not exactly the kind of thing you`d want to experience on a frequent basis during an 8-10 hour mowing operation. I found myself putting it in MANUAL mode and adjusting the gears and engine RPM`s myself as needed. I REALLY like the multi-range feature though.
The panoramic loader roof is also fantastic. The view to the booms and bucket at full height is superb. You can effortlessly see everything without having to bend or contort your body in anyway. Left to right visibility at full reach is also very very good.
Going back to my initial reason for starting this thread, regarding the option extra work lights mentioned in the owners manual: I asked corporate Deere representatives there and they had no real answer for me. I`m going to continue to try and find out more about this phantom lights as time goes on. When my machine arrives, I`ll take some close up pictures of the threaded mounting points near the work lights that appear to be where additional lights could be mounted. I`ll also do a lengthy video review of the machine once it gets delivered to the farm.
If anyone has any particular questions, or interests, please post your questions here and I will do my best to get you specific pictures / videos to help answer whatever questions you may have. As new as these machines are, there still isnt a whole lot of information out there about them. The Deere folks did say that these tractors have been released in Europe for several years now (This current 2017-2018 version is actually a redesign of an older 5R series tractor thats been over there for several years)
I`m about a month away (or less hopefully) from mine being delivered. The suspense is killing me!
In terms of the rims themselves, the rim used is dependant upon the tire selected. The larger 38 inch wheels must require stronger mounting points or a more uniform mounting ring, which is why they have the full ring instead of the 4 point mounting tabs (at least thats my guess) I have Rack & Pinion Cast 38" wheels on both of my 6420`s with 18.4R38 tires so I cant say whether or not the 38 inch steel flanged wheels have them or not.
After driving the tractor for about an hour I can tell you that this is one smooth, strong, quiet, and comfortable machine. Less than 72Db inside the cab at full engine RPM! The transmission is superb, although I`m happy I went with the CommandQuad Manual 16/16 instead of the Command8 32/16. The auto mode of the command8 was neat to drive, but in hilly terrain I think it would be doing too much "gear searching" because the transmission and engine are tuned to work in tandem to achieve maximum fuel efficiency. I was able to take it up a few slopes at the test circuit, and when going up hill, the transmission had to drop a range a few times, which resulted in a momentary pause in forward motion, followed by a rather abrupt lurch forward once the shift was completed. Not exactly the kind of thing you`d want to experience on a frequent basis during an 8-10 hour mowing operation. I found myself putting it in MANUAL mode and adjusting the gears and engine RPM`s myself as needed. I REALLY like the multi-range feature though.
The panoramic loader roof is also fantastic. The view to the booms and bucket at full height is superb. You can effortlessly see everything without having to bend or contort your body in anyway. Left to right visibility at full reach is also very very good.
Going back to my initial reason for starting this thread, regarding the option extra work lights mentioned in the owners manual: I asked corporate Deere representatives there and they had no real answer for me. I`m going to continue to try and find out more about this phantom lights as time goes on. When my machine arrives, I`ll take some close up pictures of the threaded mounting points near the work lights that appear to be where additional lights could be mounted. I`ll also do a lengthy video review of the machine once it gets delivered to the farm.
If anyone has any particular questions, or interests, please post your questions here and I will do my best to get you specific pictures / videos to help answer whatever questions you may have. As new as these machines are, there still isnt a whole lot of information out there about them. The Deere folks did say that these tractors have been released in Europe for several years now (This current 2017-2018 version is actually a redesign of an older 5R series tractor thats been over there for several years)
I`m about a month away (or less hopefully) from mine being delivered. The suspense is killing me!
