Question on Diesel prices?

PineRidge · Feb 12, 2005

Here we go again. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Junkman · Feb 12, 2005

From: http://www.bpdirect.com/products/#p8

No. 1 Diesel Fuel:
No. 1 diesel fuel (also known as 1-d) is a kerosene-based diesel fuel most commonly used for low temperature operations. No.1 fuel has less wax content than No.2, thus providing lower cloud points. However, its lower specific gravity means less energy content compared to No.2. Available in Low Sulfur and Low Sulfur Dyed.
MSDS: No. 1 Diesel.pdf

Kerosene:
Kerosene is the lightest, most volatile of the distillate fuel grades. Also known as 1-k, kerosene meets the ASTM requirement for sulfur content of not more than 0.04% wt. % sulfur. Kerosene meets all ASTM D-3699 specifications. Available in dyed form for untaxed use at some locations.
MSDS: Kerosene.pdf

Now if you would like to debate this the way some people want to debate synthetic oils, then we best start by breaking it down by refinery and brand. If you want to start splitting hairs on this matter, you might have the lab do a chemical analysis on the fuels in this particular station if you can establish its whereabouts. Some people must pour fuel on the fire if for no other reason but to cause dissension in the forums....This seems like just one of those instances, especially with the prefaced remark of ( Not to start a war but,). I thought that behavior was limited to LBr....., but I guess that this will put you into his league .... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

As for a direct answer to your......( Not to start a war but, how is Kerosine and #1 diesel the same ????)

and, to keep the record straight, I never said anything about Kerosine, however, my comment was about Kerosene. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

kevinj · Feb 13, 2005

Your original reply stated "# 1 diesel is kerosene" That is not quite true as you stated above, ( kerosene-based diesel fuel ) it is as stated at BP and Chevron, ( Kerosene:
Kerosene is the lightest, most volatile of the distillate fuel grades. Also known as 1-k, kerosene meets the ASTM requirement for sulfur content of not more than 0.04% wt. % sulfur. Kerosene meets all ASTM D-3699 specifications. Available in dyed form for untaxed use at some locations )

I feel readers of the forum simply need correct information which is why I posted links to fuel sites rather than publish my opinion. Many diesels can run on #1 but kerosene is not generally recommended. By the way kerosine has two different spellings.

PineRidge · Feb 13, 2005

Guys why don't we all agree to disagree on this one and just go out and take a relaxing ride on the tractor?

cowboydoc · Feb 13, 2005

Junkman,

I know things are different in the East. In the midwest and west #1 diesel is NOT kerosene. #1 is a mix of diesel and kerosene to lower the gel temp. Usually it's a 50/50 mix. #2 is regular diesel. If you pull into say the Flying J you have three choices for "diesel". #1 diesel is going to be winter blend 50/50 kerosene and #2 diesel usually good to a temp. of -10 to -20. #2 diesel is going to be straight diesel usually good to a temp. right at freezing or maybe a little below. Then at another pump you can buy straight kerosene.

I admit I don't know about the East and #1 very well may be considered straight kerosene. But just like our home heating oil is different here it may very well be that kerosene and #1 are one and the same where you are. Here in the midwest all the way to the Pacific it isn't the same.

penokee,

The reason that #1 is so much higher is because of the kerosene in it. Kerosene is considerably more than regular diesel. The on road fuel you are seeing is the same as the #2 off road diesel. Comparing apples to apples you are getting 41 cents off the price of off road fuel. I know it gets cold where you are. I would buy the regular off road #2 diesel and treat it with an anti-gel formula like powerservice. You will get much better performance and lubrication from #2 than #1 and save yourself a bunch of money on the price of the fuel.

kubotabilly · Feb 13, 2005

cowboydoc,
I use #1 heating oil to heat my shop and run my Kubotas. I've been doing this for 20 years now with no issues or problems. Just throw in a quart of anti-gel to treat the fuel in the winter months and your good to go /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Bill

5030 · Feb 13, 2005

Richard:

Just fill yer tractor up with unleaded and forgetaboutit!!

penokee · Feb 13, 2005

I appreciate the replies.

DmansPadge - The Hot Wine is for Winter only - acquired the Hot Wine habit after consuming too much Hot Saki in Japan back in 55.

Junkman - Both are dyed red. Use #1 off-road in my camp space heater.

Cowboydoc - Have been using #1 on-road in my Kubota, think I will switch to #2 off-road + Power service additive.

Thanks all - penokee /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Junkman · Feb 13, 2005

Just don't mix up the dyed #1 with the hot wine...... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif