question on farm exemp post

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Being a professional athlete isn't a real job but being a professional musician is a real job? )</font>


You missed my point.. let me re-phrase.

It's numbers. There are a lot more musicians out there then pro atheletes. Given that.. say school 'x' has a population of 700 graduates.. .. statistically you are going to have more musicians than pro atheletes... say you turn out 7 musicians out of those 700 people.. that's probably a low number.. lotsa musicians were 'band' members as school kids. now on the other hand.. it is probable that you will have less than 1 pro athelete per year... see my point just a numbers issue. Think of it like this. Out of those 700 graduates.. you might only get 1 or less than one astrophysicist... but I don't see a huge budget for an astro phisics lab and observatory to set and churn, and once every ten years pop out a steven hawkings..... but I do see a huge budget for a football program, and a stadium... just lotsa resources to pump into a ciriculum that is going to turn out.. 1 or 2 students as pro atheletes per decade.. as opposed to a large number of other carreers that are churned out in bulk.. with drastically less budget.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( BTW it's not just rock musicians either. )</font>

You are very correct. Hip-Hop is currently just about the fastest growing market.. and has the most money in it right now.

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am curious on how states classify property as a "farm".
Is it acreage?
Is it land use?
Is it animal related?

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In florida it is land use. you have to have a bona-fide agri business to get the agg classification. Now that can be timber.. hay, nursery, training, boarding, or livestock of varios sorts... or even plain crops .. heck.. high water recharge counts as conservation practices, and will classify

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Sorry, Doc, you're talking about entertainers, not musicians. Among the people making that kind of money, I haven't seen a real musician, yet, unless Placido Domingo or Yo Yo Ma makes that much, and I don't think they do. )</font>

Placido domingo isn't a musician.. he's a vocalist.. but in generaly.. entertainers.. musicians, singers.. etc.. all get lumped into the same bowl. And yes.. I'm quite sure the big rap stars are raking in millions.. Venerable Rock stars like springsteen and mega hit groups like the stones, deep purple, blue oyster cult.. sabbath.. and dozens of others have made huge sums of money in their carriers.

That's another point. The working lifespan of a pro athlete is generally a short 'window'.. before they go on to become comentators, spokesmen.. team owners.. etc. A musician can gig till they die.. Look at the stones.. they played when the beatles were new... and they still play.. though the look like walking skeletons.

The point of my original position was that it is more feasable for a school to turn out -any- kind of employable person.. I chose musician as an example.. could have said typist.. anything. They can churn them out by the dozen... what they can't do is churn out pro atheletes by the uh.. fractions even.. Just so few people make it to the pro's.. that it is funny how much money is spent on 'training a kid thru HS to play football, when he has less than a snowballs chance in heck to get there.. whereas on the other hand.. every kid making a c or better in the power mechanics class can get a job at a jiffy lube or a service station. So far I havn't seen any gas station/football areenas.. so tall that expensive football training seems to be uh.. aimed at marketing, booster fund raisers.. clubs and functions.. media exposure.. and school competition and posturing.. Just my take. I'm obviously not a sports fan.. except for a very few limited things ( bowling.. etc.. )

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The way I read Soundguy's comment was that a given school was likely to be able to produce more professional musicians than professional athletes, if the funding were proportionally assigned. I rather doubt he intended to imply that professional athletes did not have real jobs )</font>

Exactly.. my point exactly...

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Now, if you wanted to argue the relative merits for improved funding for science, math and engineering education as opposed to that for athletics, we could no doubt really close this discussion down in a hurry.
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It's a proven fact.. kids who study music in grade school have better math and english scores later on in life.

It's also a proven fact that kids who study football have more broken bones, and spinal cord injuries than flute players! /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.. unless the flute player is dating the football players girlfriend behind his back.. then i'd have ta say that the flute player better also be on the track team!

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( How many of the examples you gave are so far over the $30 million range that they think it's chump change)</font>

Michael jackson.. paul mcartney.. actually quite a large list. Forbes does keep track of this thing. There are plenty of wealthy people around.. many are atheletes.. many are musicians.

However.. to clarify a point.. I wasn't specifying musicians that made lots of money.. I really meant -any- musicians. Like someone pointed out.. it is just numbers.. school 'x' will turn out more musicians per year than pro atheletes.. yet a huge chunk of the budget goes toward training all those 'future' pro atheletes, in comparison to the finitely small amount of money left over for the ciriculems that the bulk of the graduates are treained in, and work a 9-5 job making a 'living' wage.

Perhaps if schools focoused more on the ';normal' jobs.. that living wage might be higher...

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( think it's sad to always see these kinds of conversations about athletes. The majority of athletes, professional and amateur are just as good and hard working as musicians )</font>

Again.. I wasn't implying anyone was better than anyone else. Just numbers.. schools are pumping a ton of cash into training a very few pro atheletes.. and pumping very little cashe into training the other 99.9999% of the graduates... seems a little unfair to everyone else in the school who deserves a piece of the general operating budget.. but get so little because their class doesn't wear shoulder pads... That's my point.. forget musician.. substitute ANY other 'job' in there.. and football will still have a higher budget per graduate.. And by the way.. this conversation was about pro football.. not pro rodeo.. but nice try! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Soundguy

 

[riptides]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( ... In Texas if you change your land use to non-exempt, and don't tell, they can go back five years and reassess your land and you will owe five years ...

Is this what you meant about roll-back taxes riptide, or was it the other way - they owe you because you did not claim an exemption- LOL. )</font>

Yep. Seems if you lose the land exemption they get you, and you need to maintain it here (VA.) for some qualifying time.

Lots of real-estate transactions in my area mention - Not responsible for roll-back taxes.

This is another thing buyers much beware, be aware of.

The really wacking thing here is, like you mentioned, the internet shows a five acre, cow farm, down the road from me.

More power to them.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Wannafish]

"or maybe we should take this over to one of the other forums where we can actualy discuss political things that affect country living"

Other Forums? You mean there are other forums about country living out there? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif I've been all over the Internet (heck, I may even have invented it!) and this is (almost) the only forum I've found that is civil enough for me to want to stay. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

But then, I never really did know how to take Junkman's comments /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Ok, Maybe I do but I'm not tellin' ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BTW, My tractor is running good and I like it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[cowboydoc]

The purpose of a high school athtletic program is not to turn out professional athletes anymore than a music program in high school in meant to turn out the next Mozart or the physics program to turn out the next Carl Saban. If we used that as our standard for having a program in school we might as well just scrap school all together. The purpose is create a well rounded individual and give a person choices. The lessons learned on the athletic field are just as important as the lessons learned in other subjects.

If you look at your school athletic budget football is usually the only sport that pays for itself. A schools athletic budget usually represents less than 5% of the total budget of a school. At most school their booster program pays for more of the athletic programs than the school budget does. And as far as jobs no way do I believe that music produces more jobs in the country as a whole than sports related jobs. And yes you do lump pro rodeo or any other professional sport in there. I could name you thousands of professional and amateur athletes that played football and then made it in another professional sport.