question on starting BX2200

[Anonymous Poster]

This is the first deisel I have ever owned so I am shooting in the dark here. Is it normal for the tractor to start and run for a few seconds and then stall 3 or 4 times before it finally catches and stays running? When it does stay running I get quite a bit of dark smoke for a few seconds. This is only when starting with a cold engine. It starts quickly when warm and without the smoke. I am pretty sure I am following the instructions properly. Throttle set about 1/2, turn to glow for about 10 seconds, turn to start. With the key in the glow position I hear a ticking that sounds kind of like a clock. Is that possibly injectors? Maybe this explains the smoke? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[techman]

rbaker:

Usually once mine starts, it doesn't stall like you described. If it's as cold there as I think, you should be holding the glow a bit longer. The colder it is, the longer you should glow. At 20 deg or so I hold the glow on for 20 to 30 seconds. That may help keep it from stalling after it starts. As far as the black smoke, you will get that all year round. Only a few puffs in the summer, up to 30 seconds of smoke and sputtering when it is in the teens. That is "normal" diesel.

The sounds you hear could be either the electric fuel pump, or if it is a more rhythmic tick every 5 or 10 seconds, you were right when you said it sounds like a clock, because it is the timed action of the running time meter.

paul

 

[Rick Jay]

I wouldn't think a new tractor should stall like that. I've never had to engage the glowplugs for longer than 10 seconds (on my B2910) this winter on the coldest of days (low teens). I do put a magnetic block heater on the oil pan 3-4 hours before I try to start it when temps are below 32 degrees F. My tractor has never stalled after starting.

Is your fuel winterized and/or free of water or other contaminants?

~Rick

 

[nitronut1]

The ticking you hear is the fuel pump; that's normal.

Try starting it with the throttle fully closed (idle position) - not 1/2 and use the glow plugs as you described above. My manual does not say to use any throttle when starting. I use the glow plugs and it starts just fine - at idle.

Gregg

 

[chrisjbell]

Yeah, like Gregg said... I use the glow plugs for about 10 seconds, but have always started mine with a closed throttle. Mine has never stalled once it has started - stalling is definately not right.

The manual for my tractor (a B7300) says to keep the throttle off. I don't know of many engines ('cept two strokes) where you're supposed to apply throttle to start it, unless it is flooded. That is what chokes are for on gas motors....

 

[chocolatehauler]

DITO for not opening the throttle. smoke is normal . If I don't glow mine long enough it will start and stall. or not start at all and just make smoke. a block heater is a good investment in cold weather. oil flow ect. good luck and have fun. I sure am /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[NY_Yankees_Fan]

rbaker,

On page 18 of the BX 2200manual, step 5 set throttle lever to about 1/2 way, it goes on to say on page 19, step 7, to hold key to preheat for 10 seconds is temp is 23-5F.

I also had a problem starting when it was 0-10F, regardless if I had the throttle set half or did not move it. I found the longer I held the preheater on .i.e. 20 seconds, and cranked the engine for about 5-10 secs, the better it started and ran without shutting down. I have a block heater on order which I will install before next winter to solve the problem. $30 for the heater was a good insurance to longer life for the engine I think. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards

 

[kyoders]

Robert,

Are you certain that you are holding the key over far enough to actually engage the glow plugs? Just turning the key to the first position isn't enough. Mine started doing this when the weather got cold, then kept on doing it as things warmed up. It was behaving the way you describe.

I asked the dealer about it and he had me try a few things; no difference. I went back, and he demonstrated on a few other machines how it should start in the temperatures we were having. It turns out I was not holding the key over far enough to actually engage the glow plugs. If you don't see the light on the dash come on, it's not far enough. Anyway, now that I know how to actually do it, mine starts first time and keeps running just fine.

Not that you are as clueless as I was, but thought it worth a mention (and confession is good for the soul).

Kevin

 

[cnoel]

If by "stalling" you mean dying, its probably not real normal, but if its just gagging and sputtering it probably is. Personally I would not put it upp to 1/2 throttle, maybe just a touch over idle. The BX's are a bit cold blooded compared to the other Bota's, probably because there's no clutch to disengage your hydro pump. One trick that works well on all the tractors with the "glow" position in the same direction as the "start" position is to turn the key back to "glow" after it is started and continue to heat the chambers until the engine is running smooth.

 

[chrisinknox]

For what it's worth, I have a B7400 and it doesn't have a block heater and I started it when it had sat for about a month without heat at very cold temps,...it never stalled on me. I don't understand why the manual would want you to use any throttle at all on startup,(it can't be good for the seals, but then again I'm not a mechanic) All I've ever done is spin the motor over with the fuel shut off to move the oil around then hit the glow plugs for 10-15sec. and with the throttle off, turn it on, and in two years it's never stalled. You might also want to keep the clutch in when it's trying to idle, that way the engine doesn't have to turn the trans. the less load you put on the motor when it's cold the better.,....for what it's worth ( by the way, when I say it was cold, I mean it was cold, like -10f,.brrrrr)