Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence

   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence #21  
I'm not sure the safety thing applies here, really.

If you happen to get a whole engine's worth of pistons that fir perfectly, and weigh exactly the same, the egine will run smoother and longer than an egine that got slightly mismatched ones.
Not to nit-pick, but at the beginning, you say that the idea of "Safety Factor" doesn't apply to the discussion, but your later example is the very DEFINITION of Safety Factor.

Folks have been "balancing" small-block Chevy engines since the stone ages. Making no other modifications, a multi-piston engine can rotate safely at a much higher RPM than a "stock" engine. Chevy will redline their engines to 5,500 RPM, for example, BECAUSE they don't go through the effort of picking pistons "from the same bin". That exact same engine that is professionally balanced can safely spin to 6,500 RPM all day long with no other modifications. Of course, beyond that you start getting into valve float and a myriad of other issues that require REAL work on the engine, but my point is this: The factory redline placed on engines is based on 99.99% of the engines built from "multi-bin parts-grabbers" being able to withstand that RPM. Not by the actual "no Safety Factor" capabilities of the engine. The alternative would be a redline specific to the engine of each and every vehicle produced, based on the inherent imbalance of each and every engine. Impossible.

Back to the OP's question: The original question was whether the UDT AND filter, untouched, could withstand another 100 hours of operation. That's 100% longer than the factory recommends.

My personal response, related to Safety Factor: If they built a 50% Safety Factor (believeable) into physical characteristics of the fluid and recommend changing it at 100 hours, my feeble mind would translate that to a REAL duration of 150 hours with absolutely no problems. To DOUBLE the manufacturer's recommendations (foregoing a 200 hour change and making it last to 300 hours, for example), I'd need to rely on a 100% safety factor on the designer's/manufacturer's intent...pretty tough sell in my book.

Yet another example: I run synthetic in my 2005 Expedition. I've done so since 10,000 miles. I also purchase the expensive $12 oil filters. Ford recommends changing the oil every 5,000 miles. I generally change it after 5,500 to 6,500 depending on my mood. I AM relying on "Safety Factor" in my decision to extend service intervals, but I'm also OFFSETTING that decision by using a far superior oil than the factory installed.

Use a "far superior" (far, far, far, far, far superior in this case) UDT and Filter, and perhaps you could justify doubling the service interval. Without that change, I can't see going beyond 125% of the manufacturer's recommendations. In this case, 125 hours. But not 200 hours.
 
   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence
  • Thread Starter
#22  
Whew.....No such thing as a simple question, huh?

Actually, I never really wanted a simple answer.;)

Thanks for all the input, big and small. You guys (gals) are great. I guess without a Kubota engineer chiming in, we'll never know exactly what their recommendations are based on.
So as far as my original question goes, I'm gonna go ahead and change the filter at 200 hrs. and try the jacking up the front idea to try to minimize UDT loss. I see no reason taking the oil out, to put it back in, when it's already been filtered plenty inside the system. If, however, the used filter contains any obvious metal shards, etc., i'll just go ahead and change the UDT too.
This will be following the manuals recommendations as they don't suggest changing the udt till 300 hrs (they just don't go into details about how to change the filter w/out it).
If I don't keep on working the tractor so hard this will help to keep me and my 3240 very happy for many years to come.
Now,,,,Where were we?
 
   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence #23  
change the fluid and the filter. its the price you pay for having the HST...:)

better to be safe than sorry in this case........
 
   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence
  • Thread Starter
#24  
change the fluid and the filter. its the price you pay for having the HST...:)

better to be safe than sorry in this case........

After this entire thread WHY would you say this?
The manual does not suggest changing the fluid, my dealer does not suggest changing the fluid, I don't want to change the fluid.
Use your head.
 
   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence #25  
Wow. This is the suckiest thread in a long time. :(

A network "engineer" derails this into a discussion of safety factors and you guys bite?

Change fluids at the service intervals specified by Kubota. For most HST's that is 50, 300, 600...

You might need engine oil and filter at 200.

If it makes you happy, you can change an HST filter without losing much fluid. If you are hunting for shavings, look on the suction screen when changing out the UDT.


Sheesh, guys. :mad:
 
   / Questionable advice on 200 hr. maintainence #26  
Change your oils continuously. It will do your tractor good :rolleyes:. So far Ive changed the HST filter in 1200+ hrs on the BX 1500. Engine oil has been changed 3 times. Everything operating perfectly.
larry
 

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