Quickie loader, very slow. WHY?

   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #1  

jahmes143

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Deere 5R
On a 1997 Kubota M5400 with 800 hours.

Curl up/down is slow, lift is slow, lower is normal speed, breakout force seems weak too. No leaks or leakdowns.

Changing fluid/filters didn't help.

I just inherited this very clean tractor and don't know a lot about hydraulics. I presume I should start by looking at the loader valve??? But what do I check?

It's a Quickie 310.
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #2  
Diameter of cylinders affects cylinder operational speed combined with hyd pump output in GPM's. Be sure 3pt hitch relieve valve isn't by passing fluid from 3 pt attempting to raise up higher IE move 3pt control lever 1/2-1'' forward. Do you have any idea if loader control valve is attached to tractor hyd system correctly?
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #3  
Quikie loader

Slowie tractor
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #4  
I'll go along with TxJim. Be sure your three point lever is not quite in the full up position. If that solves your problem your rock shaft probably needs adjusted.
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #5  
The 3pt lift advice is good.

Mine will also do this when I knock a rear remote into detente. Not enough draw to humble the tractor but it does gobble up system flow so everything acts weak
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #6  
I would suggest checking a control valve because its malfunctioning can cause slow operation. Ensure that the valve is functioning correctly and not obstructed.
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #7  
On a 1997 Kubota M5400 with 800 hours.

Curl up/down is slow, lift is slow, lower is normal speed, breakout force seems weak too. No leaks or leakdowns.

Changing fluid/filters didn't help.

I just inherited this very clean tractor and don't know a lot about hydraulics. I presume I should start by looking at the loader valve??? But what do I check?

It's a Quickie 310.
That is a wonderful tractor and top of the line loader. You have a classic and still as good as any tractor made. Or better. Good for a lifetime. Don't let anyone pry it away....

There isn't really anything to look at in a loader valve other than the pressure of the relief setting. With no leaks or leakdowns that pretty much eliminates the loader valve itself

If you really want to diagnose anything with hydraulics - including the relief valve in the loader control valve set, you will need a pressure guage kit. Amazon has them for inexpensive. Needs to read to 5000 psi.

Always good to change fluid and filters. I hope you got OEM hydraulic filters - that's another thing you can check at least partly with the pressure gauge.
Also, next time you run it long enough to get it warm, take a look at the hydraulic oil and see if it is clear or cloudy or foamy. If not clear, it is probably a simple suction line air leak - but it must be fixed.

If you just want to guess at something to improve things....there is a possibility you can try that can be done with simple hand tools, look at the diagram and replace all the O rings - parts 050 (3) and 080 in the steel suction line. Yes, you will probably need kubota O rings to fit the metric tubing.
A pressure guage kit would diagnose a leak here too - but takes some experience....although anyone can do a crude test for air leak by checking for wetness or looseness on pipes 040 & 070. Or wind some electrical tape over joints where it might suck air.
You can order filters and parts online at messicks.com.
luck,
rScotty
M5400 hydraulic parts.jpg
 
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   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY?
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I'll go along with TxJim. Be sure your three point lever is not quite in the full up position. If that solves your problem your rock shaft probably needs adjusted.
Thanks for the tip. Tested today and the loader is same speed (slow) regardless of 3p position.


@rScotty Thanks for all the tips and diagram. I used Wix filters and Harvest King fluid meeting Super UDT specs. Is this a no-no? Fluid stays clear, no air. I see you're in CO. Whereabouts? I'm near-ish Delta.
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY? #9  
Thanks for the tip. Tested today and the loader is same speed (slow) regardless of 3p position.


@rScotty Thanks for all the tips and diagram. I used Wix filters and Harvest King fluid meeting Super UDT specs. Is this a no-no? Fluid stays clear, no air. I see you're in CO. Whereabouts? I'm near-ish Delta.

I don't think those filters and fluid are the problem. They are good enough.
Next guess when all the systems are slow is that one of the relief valves has some crud in it.
You could look through the hydraulic diagram and try to guess which one it would be, but to pin it down
requires some gauges.
Right now we don't even know if the system is making pressure.
 
   / Quickie loader, very slow. WHY?
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I don't think those filters and fluid are the problem. They are good enough.
Next guess when all the systems are slow is that one of the relief valves has some crud in it.
You could look through the hydraulic diagram and try to guess which one it would be, but to pin it down
requires some gauges.
Right now we don't even know if the system is making pressure.
Pressure gauges ordered. Will report back next week.
 

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