Quote on a DK45S, 45SE, and DK55?

[Artful Dodger]

Could someone give me a Quote on a 45S, 45SE, and a 55S - all with a loader? I've been looking at Kubotas, but I like these models of Kioti. I would also like to get a quote for a Backhoe KB2485.
Any help would be great. Thanks!

 

[OrangeGuy]

At first I assumed you posted in the wrong forum (Kubota forum for a Kioti tractor), then I realized you are probably looking for a used one and assumed the Kubota dealers would be the best place to look for one. LOL

OrangeGuy

 

[Artful Dodger]

Wrong! I posted on the wrong site.
That said; I'm kind'a tired of looking for a Kubota. I started with the B2920, but they don't have SSQA and it would be a too much of a headache to convert. It ruins your warranty, and weakens the FEL. All this, on a tractor that already has a problem lifting a dry rotted stump. It also increases the Tip factor. Plus, I read horror stories of people spending tons of $$$$$ to convert to SSQA, although they said they could do without it.
With this in mind; I began to look at the B3200, which has a coupler, but it's not the same as universal SSQA. As I looked deeper, into the B3200, I began reading horror stories of Vibrations that would shake you from your roost. The faithful owners claim this is not a problem; but since I still have my cash, in hand, it's a problem for me.
I also read about one man, who bought a PHD for his B3200. Why? Just to plant trees. It seems he needed something, more, to justify the 20,000 dollars he spent on a lawn mower. No offense intended; but this just ain't my crowd.
Well, the story continues. I began to look at the L3400, but the people who owned them told me to go up to the L4400. It seems that many of them believe the FEL is way too weak for many tasks. So I looked at the L4400, which weighs in at around 30,000 bucks, with FEL and BH.
That said; I decided to go for more lifting capacity, with the L3940. Why not throw another 2,000 dollars at the problem? Right! So I went up to the Kubota yard and looked at a L3940 he had in stock. Then, just as I was looking at it, another man walked straight up and bought the thing right out from under me - without even looking at it. I say bought; but he actually traded his B3200 in on this tractor. The Kubota salesman told me the man was looking for a better lawn mower, and to quote the salesman; "that thing sure can mow some grass."
What he may not know, is exactly what I was thinking. Maybe the poor man was tired off picking his butt off the ground, once the B3200 vibrated him off?
So I began to look at the Kioti and found that I could buy a Tractor, for less $$$$$ than the B3200, which could literally pick up a B3200 with it's loader full - and throw the B3200 and that dry rotted stump over it's back.
No offense intended, as I'm sure there was none intended on your part, but I own a John Deere lawn mower. Now some JD owners will tell you that you can find all kinds of Kubotas (trade in's) on the JD lots. I'm not with that crowd. If I was looking for a lawn mower I'd go back to a SNAPPER. It may not be the prettiest lawn mower, ever built, but if I may use a Kubota salesman's words; "that thing sure can mow some grass."
Now, like I said, I OWN A JOHN DEERE; but the SNAPPER I had for 22 years is the Best dang lawn mower I ever owned. Bar none!
Oh, and by the way. I've visited two Kubota dealers, several times, in the last few weeks and I've yet to see one Kioti setting on their yards. Not one! But they did have a ton of used Kubotas, for pennies on the dollar. LOL!

 

[bandit67]

Well, I guess Kioti's sales are pretty bad if they're cutting their prices like that.

A year and a half ago, the CK30 TLB was $26,500, and not only were some of the capacities not all that impressive, but I really didn't like that backhoe hanging 3 feet off the back of the tractor. Being a Kioti, they should be cheaper than Kubota, JD, NH, especially with the lack of dealer support in so many parts of the country. Not buying the supposed "Kioti Superiority". I certainly didn't see it when I was shopping.

 

[rcrcomputing]

Well, I guess Kioti's sales are pretty bad if they're cutting their prices like that.

A year and a half ago, the CK30 TLB was $26,500, and not only were some of the capacities not all that impressive, but I really didn't like that backhoe hanging 3 feet off the back of the tractor. Being a Kioti, they should be cheaper than Kubota, JD, NH, especially with the lack of dealer support in so many parts of the country. Not buying the supposed "Kioti Superiority". I certainly didn't see it when I was shopping.

Not joining the overall discussion, but as for price, I paid right at 20.000.00 for the ck30 hst 4x4 with fel and backhoe in late 2005. I could not afford the backhoe if I'd gone with JD, new holland, or kubota. And I LOVE my backhoe!! I'd probably make the same choice today except I'd have a dk40 or 45.

To the original poster: Chill dude!

 

[Artful Dodger]

To the original poster: Chill dude![/QUOTE]

You're right, I did go a little overboard; but I guess I heard enough Kubota salesman badmouthing other brands that I was at a tipping point. I just hate rude behavior in a man. If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. Art

 

[Dmace]

Well, I guess Kioti's sales are pretty bad if they're cutting their prices like that.

A year and a half ago, the CK30 TLB was $26,500, and not only were some of the capacities not all that impressive, but I really didn't like that backhoe hanging 3 feet off the back of the tractor. Being a Kioti, they should be cheaper than Kubota, JD, NH, especially with the lack of dealer support in so many parts of the country. Not buying the supposed "Kioti Superiority". I certainly didn't see it when I was shopping.

Typical Kubota owner: Their prices are not sky-high so there must be something wrong, it can't be the fact that they know times are rough and they would rather sell more units for a small profit than vice-versa. Your so used to being ripped off for a lighter machine with less capabilities you can't see a good deal.

You say the capacities were not all that impressive, well which unit were you comparing it to?
CK30HST = 30hp/22hp PTO, 12.7GPM, 3142lbs, FEL lifts 1155lbs to a max height of 92.5", BH has 2817lbs of digging force to a digging depth of 89.7", and a 4yr Warranty.

Also, I would like to see a sub-frame mounted backhoe that doesn't hang off the back of the tractor as much as the Kioti backhoe (3pt mounts need not apply). The backhoe frame is right next to the 3pt arms when fully lifted. Any closer and you would have to remove the 3pt arms which I heard is how most Kubota backhoes are, No Thanks!

 

[LD1]

I'm not sure what he was comparing to the ck30 but when I was shopping a few years ago I actually found that the ck30/ck35 compared very well to the l2800/3400.
lift @ max height @ pins kioti -1155 kubota -1142
BO force kioti @ pins 2040 kubota @ 500mm forward - 1858
lift height kioti - 92.5 kubota - 95.3
3ph @ 24" back kioti - 1764 Kubota - 1435
Weight kioti - 3151 Kubota - 2600

I know the kioti comes with more standard fearures but it also weighs 600lbs more. Kioti does have an edge on the 3ph capacity but I don't think I'll ever have more than 1400lbs @ 24" back on my tractor.

I wanted something light enough to mow with and the kubota dealer was onlt 30 min away. The kioti dealer was 2 hrs away. Pricing was about the same in my area as well. So it was a matter of driving further just to get a few extra standard features that I wouldn't use anyway, or getting the 3400, which is what I did.

Comparing the ck series of kioti, they seem to be about the same as most others in their respective classes. Not overly impressive, just on par. But the DK is a different story. For the most part they out spec the competition across the board with their lift capacities.

 

[bandit67]

Typical Kubota owner: Their prices are not sky-high so there must be something wrong, it can't be the fact that they know times are rough and they would rather sell more units for a small profit than vice-versa. Your so used to being ripped off for a lighter machine with less capabilities you can't see a good deal.

Common Kioti owner, then I guess for you. I won't say typical since some Kioti owners don't come in to the Kubota forums and bash Kubota.

But how is it that 18 months ago, I'm given a price of 26,500 on a CK30 TLB and now I could get a CK45 TLB for thousands less? I guess the Kioti dealers were ripping off the buyers up until recently, so my comment about plummeting sales must ring true.

By the way, your backhoe hangs way, way further off the back than my 4 point subframe unit does. That was unacceptable to me.

I'm sorry, but I'd rather pay less, which I did in my case, for a 30 hp machine from a manufacturer that has been selling reliable tractors in this country since the 70's (never heard of a year's worth of cracked loaders from Kubota) than what Kioti had to offer. I also didn't like how Kioti gets it's weight from heavier, thicker castings of inferior iron because they don't seem to have the technology at that price point to produce products with a lighter weight, better quality steel. That alone means Kiotis should be priced significantly lower than the Kubota, JD, & NH, among others.

I also notice how many (not all) Kioti owners seem to spend a lot of time in the Kubota forums, yet get upset when Kubota owners don't go for the "Kioti is superior" comments. I don't see too many Kubota owners mulling around in the Kioti forums bragging about our machines. You're gonna get called out when you try to push the Kiotis on the Kubota owners, especially since plenty of us looked at Kioti when buying, and decided against them for various reasons. Obviously, we didn't think Kiotis were worthy of our hard earned dollars, or we'd own them and be hanging out in the Kioti forums bashing Kubotas.

Why is it that Kioti copied Kubota's orange and grey, and for so many years, Kioti dealers tried to convince us that Kiotis were made by Kubota? Sounds like a wanna be, to me.

Enjoy your Kioti, and stay in your own forums if you want to bash Kubota, and do it in there. Just don't come in here, and expect the Kubota owners to put up with Kubota bashing from a bunch of Kioti owners.

 

[Dmace]

But how is it that 18 months ago, I'm given a price of 26,500 on a CK30 TLB and now I could get a CK45 TLB for thousands less?

CK45 huh? Well since they don't make a CK45 I guess you meant CK35. The reason it's thousands cheaper now is because of the free loader promotion which is about a $3500 value.

By the way, your backhoe hangs way, way further off the back than my 4 point subframe unit does. That was unacceptable to me.

So do you have to remove your 3pt arms to mount the backhoe? That is unacceptable to me.

I also didn't like how Kioti gets it's weight from heavier, thicker castings of inferior iron because they don't seem to have the technology at that price point to produce products with a lighter weight, better quality steel.

Where are you getting this "inferior" crap? I highly doubt the steel is much different then what Kubota uses but when you look under the two tractors you can see that the Kioti casings are much more stout and stronger. Kubota is just using thinner steel to make a larger profit margin.

I also notice how many (not all) Kioti owners seem to spend a lot of time in the Kubota forums, yet get upset when Kubota owners don't go for the "Kioti is superior" comments. I don't see too many Kubota owners mulling around in the Kioti forums bragging about our machines.

There is a reason Kubota owners don't go into the Kioti forums, they don't have much better to offer unless it's only for mowing or a dedicated TLB. They try to sell their tractors on reputation alone and that only goes so far. Theirs plenty of Kubota owners posting their too!

Why is it that Kioti copied Kubota's orange and grey, and for so many years, Kioti dealers tried to convince us that Kiotis were made by Kubota? Sounds like a wanna be, to me.

Sorry, but I never heard any dealers trying to say Kioti's were made by Kubota and I don't believe they did either. Orange is a good tractor color, why does John Deere make their commercial units Yellow, is it because they are copying CAT?

Enjoy your Kioti, and stay in your own forums if you want to bash Kubota, and do it in there. Just don't come in here, and expect the Kubota owners to put up with Kubota bashing from a bunch of Kioti owners.

I only posted in this thread because the original poster was asking about Kioti tractors and accidentally posted it here. I do not look for threads in here just to bash Kubota. Also, I've been enjoying my Kioti for almost 4 years now and for over 375 hours with nothing more then regular maintenance.