Ran my 2201BD out of diesel, now it wont start? Any ideas?

[kenmac]

Since the discussion was running out of fuel.. Do most here have the cap with built in gauge, or just regular cap ?? My fuel cap has the built in fuel gauge

 

[TomSeller]

On the advice of the long-time dealers who have posted here - I have never bled at the injectors, only at the three bleed screws: filter inlet, filter outlet, pump input. The theory is that the pressure from the pump will force any air through the injector so opening a line there doesn't do anything.

I would have thought so, but on some systems the air in the injector lines seems to allow too much "cushion" and the injectors don't pop open. I have had to crack at the injector to get the air out and eliminate that cushion.

 

[California]

Since the discussion was running out of fuel.. Do most here have the cap with built in gauge, or just regular cap ?? My fuel cap has the built in fuel gauge

My YM240 has just a cap, with the stock fuel screen in the inlet of the tank. The side of the tank is visible for an instant check of the level. This really is a preferable design since it not only allows seeing the level at a glance, the design allows use of the stock fuel inlet screen.

The YM186D's have the tank concealed and have the gauge in the cap.

I've read the gauge can collect water, and let rainwater into the the fuel tank. I left the second YM186D out overnight recently (unusual) and found the gauge all fogged up with visible drops inside. I took the gauge apart and let it dry out all day. The other YM186D is out sometimes overnight or in rain, and it has a slender coffee can inverted over the fuel gauge to prevent this.

Incidentally - when I bought one of the Yanmars its gauge window was cloudy. I painted the inside of the window with my wife's clear nail polish. I also painted the gauge needle with white paint. It looks great now just like a VN rebuilt gauge .


Tom, I've read that, but I've never had an instance that needed loosening a line at an injector. Even after replacing the fuel filter assembly and the injectors. I wonder if Yanmar's design with the lines going constantly uphill to the injectors prevents a trapped air cushion. At any rate the three-bleed-screws-only advice came from someone who has been a Yanmar Parts dealer etc since Yanmar first came to America in the 70's and it has worked for me, so I haven't needed anything more extensive. Likely there are diesels out there which need this, just not the Yanmars that this dealer is familiar with.

 

[kenmac]

My 3110 doesn't have that screen. Don't know if it should have it or not. If it would work with my tank and can be bought. I would buy 1. I now use a mr funnel with the screen.. My fuel tank is black it isn't clear. Can't see any fuel though it.... Is it painted ??? I don't know..I never given it any though

 

[California]

Mr funnel - that's the one they advertise that bush pilots use, and it won't let water through? That's probably even more effective than the Yanmar tank inlet screen.

Yanmar's screen is good, about like the hydraulic 'strainer', but I wouldn't switch over to it now. I think it is to stop rust flakes, twigs, dead bugs etc typical of old rusty jerry cans. Imagine refueling daily out in the boondocks in third-world conditions.

Regarding Yanmar's design goals for the fuel filters: I went and found the following paragraph I put in an old post long ago:
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From the YM240 manual: "For maximum filter life, sediment and water should not exceed 0.10 percent". That's a huge amount of rubbish, 3/4 ounce by weight, maybe a couple of tablespoons, added for every tank of fuel. If the manufacturer says the tractor will meet specs when fed that much garbage continually, then our much cleaner fuel shouldn't need a second filter.
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The common cap is interchangeable with the gauge cap. While the tank can 'breathe' through the gauge cap, you can get a vacuum lock (fuel starvation, and a crushed tank) if the common cap is screwed on tight. The inlet trash screen has a notch or something to let in air as needed but I still don't screw that cap on tight.

 

[Cat_Driver]

I've always had good luck filling the fuel tube right before the injectors so it would fire up and cause a suction enough to keep it running. May have to do it a few times till it catches but it always does. You'd be surprised how much those fuel hoses hold

 

[kenmac]

Mr funnel - that's the one they advertise that bush pilots use, and it won't let water through? That's probably even more effective than the Yanmar tank inlet screen.

Well, I don't know about bush pilots, but they say it traps water in the funnel .. I can't say that's a true statement either.. I'm getting water from somewhere.. Condensation ???

The funnel is made so, that some small amount of fuel remains in the bottom of the funnel (like a trap)..How it would ever keep water from entering the fuel tank is beyond me. It seems to me that it would just wash water beyond the trap into the fuel tank..

 

[clemsonfor]

I pull that small strainer out when i refuel, it causes more fuel to splash out in little droplets.

Ken there are black plastic tanks that are availible as replacements. I think the clearish cloudy ones were factory at least till some point? I have one on my ym2000. The bottom of it has some overspray on it so its hard to see through when it gets below like 1/4 tank.

 

[California]

There were 'clear' (milk bottle plastic) YM2000 replacement tanks on Ebay, replicas of the original. I think from Hoye. But several years ago.

 

[normde2001]

The YM2000B has a steel tank with strainer, a chrome cap and a gauge on the dash.