Ratchet top link

   / Ratchet top link #21  
This seems like it would be an easier solution, and would make top link adjustments quicker too:

HYDRAULINK CATEGORY 1 TOPLINK

A bit pricey at $185, but less than a "full on" top and tilt (which I recently finished installing on my tractor).

bumper

I had one of these, but I need the ratchet top link to move the box blade while hooking it up and adjusting the angle when it is in use on the ground. :thumbsup:
 
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#22  
This seems like it would be an easier solution, and would make top link adjustments quicker too:

HYDRAULINK CATEGORY 1 TOPLINK

A bit pricey at $185, but less than a "full on" top and tilt (which I recently finished installing on my tractor).

bumper
This is an interesting device. Not sure if the adjusting would work as I would like. I will have to think about the process.

Thanks for the idea
 
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#23  
Just ordered this hydraulink. I will let you know how it works. Looks good on youtube
 
   / Ratchet top link #24  
Just ordered this hydraulink. I will let you know how it works. Looks good on youtube

the "air cushion" portion scares me personally, would be interested to hear more about that area. as in how much it flexes and causes the implement to raise/up down.
 
   / Ratchet top link #25  
The TnT on my B3350. Kubota doesn't offer TnT for this tractor, though they do offer optional rear hydraulics which is the pricey part. I've moved things some since this picture, turned the top cylinder over so the hoses connect on the bottom and added a pilot operated check valve to the tilt cylinder.

With the back window open on the cab, it's easy to reach in and operate both 3-point and TnT for easy hook up of implements. TnT makes operating with a box scraper so convenient it's almost a must have.



bumper
 
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#26  
the "air cushion" portion scares me personally, would be interested to hear more about that area. as in how much it flexes and causes the implement to raise/up down.
I will let you know soon
I assume the air cushion is just a tiny bit of air they probably couldn't get out in production
 
   / Ratchet top link #27  
This is why I think there is air in the cylinder.

If there was no air, it wouldn't work. The volume on one side is less than the other side due to the shaft. If it was retracting, there would be no place for some of the fluid to go, moving from the base end to the shaft end. Air compresses to allow the volume difference.

Bruce
 
   / Ratchet top link #28  
The top link should be rigid, not cussion. If it compresses then tillage depth changes and
 
   / Ratchet top link #30  
For info on the Hydraulink, check out the original thread. But be prepared to do some reading.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...-contained-air-over.html?highlight=hydraulink

I make it through page 15, almost went to sleep (mostly cause I was tired) it is a long read. Take away in a nutshell:

The Hydraulink (or HL) is basically a double acting hydraulic cylinder, plumbed so one port connects directly to the other port with a needle valve between. By closing the valve, the HL can be "almost" locked in any position within its 6" hydraulic stroke*. "Almost" as there is some air in the cylinder too, there has to be to get full stroke, as the cylinder capacity is naturally less on the piston rod or ram side of the piston than on the other side. The air provides some squish or "shock absorption", which many would think a detriment, it is claimed to be a feature and reputed to provide a smoother seat experience when towing a box blade etc. I can't remember feeling a need for shock absorption in my top link. This feature is also reputed to provide a degree of "self adjusting" - not sure how that would work though. . .

Because the aft most, rod, end has the least volume, and the welded ports are closest to the distal ends of the cylinder, and the cylinder in most installations is lowest at the tractor attachment, it may be assumed that the air will be, or mostly be, in the end nearest the tractor. Okay, lets say you are trundling along pulling a box scraper and the leading edge of the blade hits an obstruction of some sort (e.g. root, rock etc). The additional drag at the blade then tends to compress the top link. There is movement as the air compresses to a higher pressure, and the HL gets shorter. This movement then allows the blade to assume a *greater* angle of attack in relation to the soil, thus *increasing* the pressure and retraction of the top link. If this be the case, then the HL has positive feedback which would tend to make the operation *less* stable. Small obstructions or smoother soil would tend not to do this of course. I have no clue how the HL performs "real world", but I cannot imagine that the shock absorption, such as it is, would be beneficial. Please explain and correct me if I've got this wrong (it wouldn't be the first time :c).

To adjust the HL, you just reach around (maybe, if it's not too far) and open the valve. Gravity takes over and you close the valve when it's moved enough. Go to far? Start over by raising the implement.

To raise the implement, lower 3 point to ground (this may lose your "just right" 3 point position and require you start over with that - later. Once on the ground you can open the HL valve and drive forward. If all is well, the implement will tilt forward and you can close the HL. Raise the 3 point to where you liked it before, and proceed. Of course this assumes you can reach the HL.

*The HL has a 6" stroke and also a screw adjustment to get you in the ballpark. Not in the ballpark? . . . get out and screw. (My Cat-1 hydraulic top link has a 10" stroke - - no screwing around required :c)


The HL is an expensive step up from a mechanical screw type top link. Cost is about the same, or slightly more than a true hydraulic top cylinder with hoses, fittings and maybe a DPCCV. This assumes you have a rear hydraulic outlet already - if not, the cost of the rear remote may swing in favor of the HL.

The HL is being marketed as having it's own unique set of advantages, almost to the point where one might choose it over a traditional hydraulic top cylinder. IMO that's a bit of a stretch. I would rate the 3 options roughly on a scale of 1 to 10. Screw adjust = 1; Hydraulink = 3.5; Hydraulic top = 10

Some advantages of a true hydraulic top cylinder: Easy to adjust on the fly. Spreading the content of a box scraper is smooth and a beautiful thing, just extend top link for a fine adjustment of spread rate - more precise than raising the 3 point. Able to lift implements high for clearance when trailering etc. Easy to lift a brush cutter high enough to check blades etc (with adequate safety measures of course). The hydraulic top link makes brush cutting on uneven terrain much more doable.

Once you have a hydraulic top link, you won't want to go back. If you have a hydraulic remote, then a true hydraulic top link is the logical and best way to go. I you don't have a remote already, then consider getting an HL, though expensive for the convenience it offers over the old screw type.

bumper
 
   / Ratchet top link #31  
one heck of a post there dumperm! excellent con vs pros!
 
   / Ratchet top link #32  
Fix That Tractor! | Your online tractor parts source for all makes.
CAT 1 ratchet jack top link with correct ends!!!

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might give a lead to something...
Top Link ratchet turnbuckle jack items tractor linkage parts from Swintool manufacturer suppliers

below image is from https://www.kubota.com/product/b50/b50.aspx
B_Ratchet_Type_Lift_Rod_New.jpg
still not the ends wanted though :/
 
   / Ratchet top link #34  
Ratchet Link Assembly with Double Ball End (Cat. 1) | S.15297 | Malpasonline.co.uk
here is one but I don't know what size cat 1 is in the uk plus I don't know how much it is in dollars. on top of that since it is made in the UK the threads are probably backwards:)

Hi just browsing and saw this link posted.

This part is supplied by a firm called Sparex - they are world wide wholesalers of agri items S.15297 Ratchet Link Assembly with Double Ball End (Cat. 1) see this link. use part no s.15297

In US $ about $160 at exchange rate + shipping - see below

They are in US Sales Orders
Tel: 330 562-8150 (Sparex is wholesale to dealers only)

But only wholesale

Hope helps some one.
 
   / Ratchet top link #35  
Hi just browsing and saw this link posted.

This part is supplied by a firm called Sparex - they are world wide wholesalers of agri items S.15297 Ratchet Link Assembly with Double Ball End (Cat. 1) see this link. use part no s.15297

In US $ about $160 at exchange rate + shipping - see below

They are in US Sales Orders
Tel: 330 562-8150 (Sparex is wholesale to dealers only)

But only wholesale

Hope helps some one.
15297_pic1.jpg

Thanks, that is what I am looking for, can't find it on this side of the pond.

I sent them an e-mail asking if they could sell me one or where to get it over here.
 
   / Ratchet top link #36  
The TnT on my B3350. Kubota doesn't offer TnT for this tractor, though they do offer optional rear hydraulics which is the pricey part. I've moved things some since this picture, turned the top cylinder over so the hoses connect on the bottom and added a pilot operated check valve to the tilt cylinder.

With the back window open on the cab, it's easy to reach in and operate both 3-point and TnT for easy hook up of implements. TnT makes operating with a box scraper so convenient it's almost a must have.



bumper

I am looking for this same setup (TnT) on my B3300. Is this the Kubota kit or did you build it yourself? Seen kits that were bolted tho the ROPS and it did not look very good. Do the control levers on yours come up thru the back of the left fender? If you could post a few more pictures of your setup. that would be great!
Paul.
 
   / Ratchet top link #37  
Paul,

I ordered the two rear hydraulic remotes from Kubota (options on the tractor). This is pretty much the only practical way I know of with the cabbed B50 series, as it already has the slots in the cab fender trim on the right side, aft of the 3 point lever, there's not a lot of extra room in the cab for more levers, so things need to come together in a "dense" neat package with appropriate linkage to valves. 'Spose it could be done "build your own" but it would be, umm, more than a little challenging, and certainly much more difficult than on an open station tractor.

The four quick connects on the back are pretty cool, you just shove the connector in and it locks, pull hard and it comes out, so you can't drive away and damage anything when using the remotes for other accessory equipment (not that I'd ever do that). They are located in about the only place they could be, there's not a lot of room that's not spoken for.

Pictures of the control levers are labeled "D" in the brochure at: http://www.kubota.com/product/Brochures/B50/brochure_b50.pdf

Note that it refers to one remote, but they offer the option of one or two.

I bought the top link from Surplus Supply Hydraulics, and the tilt from them too. Had to modify, cut and weld, parts to make the tilt cylinder work. Top was easy, only had to shorten tractor end bushing by about 1/8" per side with an angle grinder (it's hardened steel).

bumper
 
   / Ratchet top link #38  
Got a welder? Just take a regular top link and cut the center section out and weld in the ratcheting center section from a chain binder.
 
   / Ratchet top link #39  
Paul,

I ordered the two rear hydraulic remotes from Kubota (options on the tractor). This is pretty much the only practical way I know of with the cabbed B50 series, as it already has the slots in the cab fender trim on the right side, aft of the 3 point lever, there's not a lot of extra room in the cab for more levers, so things need to come together in a "dense" neat package with appropriate linkage to valves. 'Spose it could be done "build your own" but it would be, umm, more than a little challenging, and certainly much more difficult than on an open station tractor.

The four quick connects on the back are pretty cool, you just shove the connector in and it locks, pull hard and it comes out, so you can't drive away and damage anything when using the remotes for other accessory equipment (not that I'd ever do that). They are located in about the only place they could be, there's not a lot of room that's not spoken for.

Pictures of the control levers are labeled "D" in the brochure at: http://www.kubota.com/product/Brochures/B50/brochure_b50.pdf

Note that it refers to one remote, but they offer the option of one or two.

I bought the top link from Surplus Supply Hydraulics, and the tilt from them too. Had to modify, cut and weld, parts to make the tilt cylinder work. Top was easy, only had to shorten tractor end bushing by about 1/8" per side with an angle grinder (it's hardened steel).

bumper

Really want the Kubota kit because of the neat and clean look of the install, and really do not want to piece a kit together. I wonder if the kit that fits the B3350 would fit on the B3300? May have to visit my local dealer and ask around. Does anyone out there have rear hydraulic remotes installed on a B3300? I would like to see what it looks like installed. Mainly wanted to see if fits in like it does on the B3350. I got part numbers from Kubota a while back but they did not know if it mounted on the ROPS or under the right fender. The part numbers are B7309B, BL7343, and BL7373. Would really like to see a tractor with these parts installed before I commit to buying them.
 
   / Ratchet top link #40  
Hi just browsing and saw this link posted.

This part is supplied by a firm called Sparex - they are world wide wholesalers of agri items S.15297 Ratchet Link Assembly with Double Ball End (Cat. 1) see this link. use part no s.15297

In US $ about $160 at exchange rate + shipping - see below

They are in US Sales Orders
Tel: 330 562-8150 (Sparex is wholesale to dealers only)

But only wholesale

Hope helps some one.

15297_pic1.jpg


Thanks, that is what I am looking for, can't find it on this side of the pond.

I sent them an e-mail asking if they could sell me one or where to get it over here.
Never came up with a ratchet top link, but I put the box blade on a dolly, that makes it much easier to hook up to the 3 point hitch.

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