REAL Brakes For Your PT-425

   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #21  
""<font color="blue"> I just installed a new (non-brake) motor on the right rear of my PT-425. The White part number is 400230W3122AAAAA. I believe the brake equipped motor would be the same, except K31 instead of W31. ""


<font color="red"> I don't care about the brakes, but is that the most powerful wheel motor that can be fitted to a PT-425?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #22  
Snowridge,

Just curious why you had to replace a wheel motor. Where did you buy it, what were the symptoms, how was it to replace? I think you have the model prior to the higher torque motors, is that right?

thanks
Duane
 
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<font color="blue"> Just curious why you had to replace a wheel motor. Where did you buy it, what were the symptoms, how was it to replace? I think you have the model prior to the higher torque motors, is that right? </font>

Hi Duane,

The right rear motor's shaft seal starting leaking when the temperature dropped well below freezing over the winter. The machine wasn't in use at all. One day I noticed oil on the floor and starting watching it. Unfortunately, it just got worse.

Last winter, the left rear had done the same thing, but it stopped leaking as soon as it warmed up, so I wasn't real concerned about the right side. However, when it warmed up it became clear that it wasn't going to stop.

At certain times of the year, we can't afford to be down, so I decided to purchase a new motor, along with a seal kit for the one that is leaking. As soon as I get the seal kit installed on the old motor, we will have a spare.

Our PT-425 does have the high torque motors. I bought the replacement from the local White Hydraulics distributor. White's web site lists the distributors. Nationally, Precision Fluid Power sells them over the web, although you need to ask for a quote. They run about $320 plus shipping.

To replace the motor, you need a very stout commercial quality puller to get the hub off. I used a 3/4" drive 38 MM socket and a 42" bar to loosen the hub nut. I don't have a big enough torque wrench, so I had to estimate the 300-400 ft lb tightening torque. Since it took everything I had to break it loose, I just gave it everything I had putting it back on. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Just to be sure, I am hunting for a 3/4" drive, 600 ft lb torque wrench at a reasonable price. Meanwhile, I am watching it like a hawk.

BTW, the time honored method of striking the end of the shaft to loosen the hub is a no-no. Somewhere there is a forum post which suggests the opposite. White says it should never be done on these motors.
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #24  
What is the part number you ordered for the high torque motor. I wonder if they would give similar results if they were retrofitted to a 422?
 
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<font color="blue">What is the part number you ordered for the high torque motor. I wonder if they would give similar results if they were retrofitted to a 422?
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The part number without brakes is 400230W31222AAAAA.

I have heard, but don't know for sure that the mounts may be different.

I'm not sure what was really gained by PT going to these "high torque" motors. What was wrong with the previous motors? I understand we have lost a little top speed with the newer motors. I can also attest that the PT-425 will roll, albeit slowly, down even a gentle slope if the parking brake is not set.

I wish it didn't.
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #26  
I think my only real complaint about my 422 (1999 vintage) is that there are a lot of relatively mild hills that it struggles to climb with a load. BobRip and I have both discussed what it would take for us to upgrade to the new 425 (maybe a 430?). For me, $1280 for new motors sounds much better than $9500 for a new tractor if it will get me the little extra tractive power I want.
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #27  
If you want more power/torque, without the expense of new motors, smaller diameter tires would work, but would reduce your ground clearance.
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #28  
I seem to have fewer issue as I gain experience. I attributure this to the following.
1. Leaning to steer back and forth while stuck. (This was the biggie)
2. Running Mobile 1 15W-50 in the transmission. Be care about doing this if you live in a cold climate. My 422 is kept in a heated garage.
3. Running the tires at a lower pressure. (Does this make them smaller and give more torque)
4. Filling in some of the ruts in my property.
5. Not trying to drive through the swamp.
6. Adjusting the governor spring position.

Still I would love more torque,

Bob Rip

Bob Ripley
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #29  
If you lower the tire pressure, you change the radius of the tire, thus a smaller diameter, but in doing so, you place your self in a position to spin the tire off the rim . What is the size of your tires?
 
   / REAL Brakes For Your PT-425 #30  
check out burden surplus center, hyd. wheel motors with a internal brake. this would require a new mount.but you could make them. the brake is spring on and hyd. pressure off. no need for a brake pedal /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

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