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[greasemonkeyok]

Aw, come on crazyal, educate us just because this is a tractor forum.

 

[timswi]

I was just kidding around...Nothing hostile from my side..Geez...

GM bailout...OK...Would you like it to go under and all of the suppliers and misc support go with it?...Even the Ford CEO was on board with it that given that he knew what would happen..Ford was up to it's eyeballs in debt and that wouldn't have turned out well for anyone.... They even collateralized the blue oval...They were buried, and still are...They borrowed a ton of cash before the credit crisis.

Ford's hands aren't clean either government wise. They had their hands in the till too.

 

[pilot-werx]

I will never touch another gm after what happened with my escalade.... The little tranny cooler let go in the radiator and flooded the tranny with coolant an the engine with tranny fluid. GM basically said sh/t happens, go pound sand... Glad to know that is the service you get with a $73,000 vehicle. A$$holes....

 

[sparc]

I thought I was going to post saying that Hummer was sold to a Chinese company, but this article says otherwise: GM to shut down Hummer after China deal fizzles | Reuters

The worst thing that ever happened to the Hummer was GM getting involved with the brand. When AMG sold the marketing rights to the Hummer brand to GM that was the beginning of the end. The H2 was a pig and the H3 was an overpriced run of the mill SUV.

I owned a Hummer for 15 years, best offroad vehicle I ever owned. I had loads of fun with that truck and it never left me stranded. The 6.5 Detroit diesel was a little underpowered for highway driving, but it wasn't really geared for highway running anyway. 65 was top end.

I'm glad the chinese didn't buy, and I don't think they should have been allowed to, but then itnwas just the marketing rights to the Hummer name, AMG never sold the Hummer H1 design. The H1s were always built by AMG.

 

[toppop52]

Is this light duty, 1/4 to 1 ton trucks? Not sure about the rest of the country, but in New England, Ford seems to outnumber all others.

That's all reported light trucks.

 

[toppop52]

I will never touch another gm after what happened with my escalade.... The little tranny cooler let go in the radiator and flooded the tranny with coolant an the engine with tranny fluid. GM basically said sh/t happens, go pound sand... Glad to know that is the service you get with a $73,000 vehicle. A$$holes....

Since it was obviously out of warranty, what makes you think Ford, or any of the Nippon's would have done any differently? And was it GM, Cadillac or the dealer?
My oldest brother has a late model ('09-'10) F-350 King Ranch diesel 4x4, so far on transmission #2, transfer case is grinding in 4wd and it's been repainted due to all the top surfaces suffering clear-coat peel. Sure, that's unusual, I won't argue otherwise, but so is internal tranny cooler failure.

 

[Wacky]

Toyota has the most american made vehicles now. I will never forget the day I saw on a window sticker on a Chevy Equinox....Engine, place of origin CHINA!!!:thumbsup:

 

[toppop52]

Oh well.....

I was at a Ford dealer in Conn. over the weekend. I was walking through the lot and reading the stickers on the Mustangs. There were stickers to the right of the actual sticker price stating the origin of the engines and trannies. I noticed that:

1 GT engines were made in America.
2 6 cyl. pony engines were made in Germany.
3 Manual Trannies for both GT and 6 cyl. were made in Mexico.
4 Auto Trannies for both were made in France.

 

[Bob77064]

This Toyota was built in Princetin IN with ,mostly Amercian made parts. Purchased new August 2007, going on 93,000 miles.

 

[Dmace]

Never let reality get in the way of a good rant. Let's say there was no bailout. GM goes bankrupt. Sell the assets. Pay the creditors. The Stock Holders are last in line - think they would have done any better.

Think about it - actually really think...................

Well said, most people just like to reiterate whatever they heard on the news even if it makes no sense what-so-ever. Most these GM haters would be the first ones ranting about how we let GM fail and now there's hundreds of thousands of people unemployed, collecting welfare benefits and now their taxes are going up. Instead the company is making great strides forward, hiring new people and paying back much of the money invested by the government. Gee, I wonder how much of the $5.9 billion given to Ford has been paid back...

Me personally, I buy whatever I want as my vehicles are for work and not to make a political statement...

 

[rrrkkk]

Not really taking sides and not speaking of anyone in this post, but ....


I would be willing to bet that a LOT of nay sayers about the GM / Government bailout would sound differently if GM had just went bankrupt and dissolved totally.

Probably a majority of those nay sayers would be saying stuff like:

"Why didn't our Government step in and protect U.S. jobs?"

"Look at those darn foreign imports / rice burners / "other brands" that forced GM out of existence!"

"Why didn't blah blah blah "

Just like trying to get every voter in the U.S. to vote for 1 person, ......it will never happen.

People are funny.

Some people like to stir pots.

Some people just cannot process events / actions.

and some people are wishy washy. They say what they think you want to hear.

And some people will agree with another because they cannot or will not find / know the facts and their friend "sounds" like they know what they are talking about


and maybe in this case, just because the Government did act, people are upset because it was "the Government" who in their eyes never does anything right (or the way they want it).

You cannot please everyone all the time

Well tell me where my GM stock went, it got stuck up my butt, and now some union worker has it. Thanks Obama, always a GM man traded off the cadillac for a ford. Never buy another GM

 

[toppop52]

The most important measure is probably the combined domestic content for all the vehicles in a company's lineup, he said.

By most measures, Detroit automakers come out ahead. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration measures domestic-parts content ratings across the industry. Among the 58 models with ratings of 75 percent or higher, foreign-based automakers produce just eight. Conversely, Detroit automakers produce just 24 of the 140 models with domestic content ratings of 10 percent or less.

Yep, I agree, you Toyota/Nissan buyers are indeed patriots....

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

Well tell me where my GM stock went, it got stuck up my butt, and now some union worker has it. Thanks Obama, always a GM man traded off the cadillac for a ford. Never buy another GM

When you bought your GM (or any other stock) did you think the price was guaranteed forever? Didn't you see the signs of the impending doom? Why didn't you sell before it became worthless?

You and the other millions were the owners of the company. Just like any other company that goes bankrupt - When YOUR company became worthless so did your stock. Sorry you cannot blame BA for GM almost going under. Whether you like the method or not seems to me they would be gone if not for the bailout.

You want to blame somebody for GM problems? Look in the mirror. You the owners - the Stockholders - hired the Management who over the years took a company with over 50% market share and drove it into the ground.

Who did you blame when Studebaker went bankrupt? FDR?

 

[whodat526]

every body here says they wont buy a gm product because they took goverment bail out so i guess every one of them thats owns a johndeere went and sold it and bought another brand since they took goverment bail out money

 

[JB4310]

This Toyota was built in Princetin IN with ,mostly Amercian made parts. Purchased new August 2007, going on 93,000 miles.

Yup and this Dodge was made in Mexico. With an American engine and a Japanese transmission.

So I agree they are all international companies, owned by stock holders all around the world. I don't know enough of the facts about the bail outs to say it was good or bad, but I don't think you should base your buying decision on it and definitely not using patriotic reasoning.

I've only owned 1 GM in my life, an 85 k5 blazer. it was a good vehicle. pretty simple. I looked at GM class 3 trucks in 06 when I was truck shopping, the first thing I noticed was it felt so small in the cab. that was it, didn't want to test drive one, felt like I was sitting in a Toyota.

The guy that works for me has a Titan, the truck is nice, especially the interior, but no where near as heavy built as a "domestic" brand truck.



JB

Yep, I agree, you Toyota/Nissan buyers are indeed patriots....

That is funny :laughing:

I better not say anything, but my new thing is Subarus. I bought an 01 forester this summer and love it. I told my wife and kids that if they want me to help them look for, buy and maintain their next car it better be a Subaru.

I figure if I standardize the fleet, it will be that much easier for me to maintain.

So I salute the flag of the United Islands of Japan

I wouldn't say that even as a joke if the veterans of WW2's pacific theatre were still around. But with only less than 10% of them left, I personally don't know any now.

JB

 

[two_bit_score]

I don't care. GM became a dead brand in my eyes the moment the government bailed them out and screwed over the stock holders. GM took the bailout and now they must live with the fact that a number of people will never buy their products again.

Besides which is better? Sending profits to a US based company who pays foreign workers to build it or a Japanese based company who pays US workers to build it? Prove me wrong but the amount of money sent overseas due to profits is very small compared to how much money from the sale of a new car goes towards pay for the workers, contractors, and taxes.

None of that really made any difference to me. My one truck purchase want going to change it anyway. So I just went with the one I liked best and thought would give me the best service. A lot if that was based on my past experience with both ford and GM. Never had a bad experience with either one. Just had better experience with GM.

So I bought a new Chevrolet.

 

[two_bit_score]

every body here says they wont buy a gm product because they took goverment bail out so i guess every one of them thats owns a johndeere went and sold it and bought another brand since they took goverment bail out money

Not me. But I did buy JD stock in 2008 when I bought my backhoe. Its last close was twice what I paid for it.

 

[Combustix]

every body here says they wont buy a gm product because they took goverment bail out so i guess every one of them thats owns a johndeere went and sold it and bought another brand since they took goverment bail out money

and a hush fell over the crowd

 

[Combustix]

None of that really made any difference to me. My one truck purchase want going to change it anyway. So I just went with the one I liked best and thought would give me the best service. A lot if that was based on my past experience with both ford and GM. Never had a bad experience with either one. Just had better experience with GM.

So I bought a new Chevrolet.

Okay call me crazy but for all the railing you do against obama shouldn't you be thanking him for saving the company who's trucks you like the best? :laughing:

 

[two_bit_score]

Okay call me crazy but for all the railing you do against obama shouldn't you be thanking him for saving the company who's trucks you like the best? :laughing:

He didn't do it for me. And, he doesn't build the trucks.