Rear Remotes for a front grapple?

[2Buckslake]

Thanks for all the replies from everyone. JJ, I'm not really confused too much, I'm just trying to figure out the best way to go cost wise. That's going to be some mighty long hoses going from the rear to the front. The grapple will be supplied with 5ft. hoses to start with, and I can have them made longer, if I choose to. On the right side of the loader arm the hydraulic hoses are in an "S" pattern so that when you raise the loader to full height there is enough hose for the height that the loader can go up to. I'm assuming I'll have to do that on the left side as well, if I go that route. I guess I'm going to have to get some pricing on getting hyd. hoses made to the length that I will need vs. tapping in to the curl circuit or the power beyond line for a 3rd function.

 

[ovrszd]

Another consideration is whether you ever remove the FEL?? If you do, then you are going to need a pair of QD's somewhere near the point the FEL separates from the tractor. Similar to how the FEL is plumbed now. You also need QDs at the front of the FEL frame, near the QA. Then the 5' hoses on the Grapple will couple to those two QDs. Even it you place the two QDs at the front of the FEL frame as close to the QA as possible those 5' hoses won't be any too long. It takes a LOT of hose length in that area to allow you to curl the Grapple completely forward. In my situation those two hoses are long enough to almost loop down and touch the ground when the Grapple is sitting flat on the ground. When curled forward they are near tight.

So, if you use your existing rear QDs and run two hoses forward, adding QDs at the FEL/tractor separation point and another pair of QDs at the front, you will need a total of three pairs of QDs plus two pairs of hoses with male threaded connectors on each end.

You'll be surprised how much money you'll spend doing that. Then any other methods you use will add more cost. Equipping a tractor for this feature is not cheap.

 

[2Buckslake]

I have also thought about all those QD's for the grapple location hookup, and also at the loader frame upright, plus what would be needed at the rear remotes. Or, I could full length hoses from front to rear. I called surplus center and a valve just to hook into the curl circuit would be $310 for just the valve. He asked me if the fittings on my hoses for the curl circuit were sae12. I looked at my loader last night, and they are an "O-ring" style fitting for the all the lines where rubber lines meet steel lines, but I don't know what size they are. The end of the rubber line is male threads on the rubber hose, and it is a female steel nut on the steel lines that run along side the loader arm. Can anyone tell me the size of those fittings? I have the standard 16LA NH loader. This would probably an easier install, although I would have to make up lines for the diverter valve. So, the price may be a wash anyway. Yes, ovrszd, this is looking like another sizeable cost for the plumbing, and I'm starting to lean more towards the diverter setup, just for the cleaner install and the option of using my joystick to work the grapple. Thanks for your comments...

Another consideration is whether you ever remove the FEL?? If you do, then you are going to need a pair of QD's somewhere near the point the FEL separates from the tractor. Similar to how the FEL is plumbed now. You also need QDs at the front of the FEL frame, near the QA. Then the 5' hoses on the Grapple will couple to those two QDs. Even it you place the two QDs at the front of the FEL frame as close to the QA as possible those 5' hoses won't be any too long. It takes a LOT of hose length in that area to allow you to curl the Grapple completely forward. In my situation those two hoses are long enough to almost loop down and touch the ground when the Grapple is sitting flat on the ground. When curled forward they are near tight.

So, if you use your existing rear QDs and run two hoses forward, adding QDs at the FEL/tractor separation point and another pair of QDs at the front, you will need a total of three pairs of QDs plus two pairs of hoses with male threaded connectors on each end.

You'll be surprised how much money you'll spend doing that. Then any other methods you use will add more cost. Equipping a tractor for this feature is not cheap.

 

[J_J]

Here is a selector/diverter valve from Baileynet.com

Stackable Solenoid Operated Circuit Selector Valve | Type SAE 8 SELECTOR VALVE SOL OPT SAE 8 220-934

Add switch to the joystick handle, some short hoses, and fittings and you are done.

 

[/pine]

Here is a link that will help you size the SAE (o-ring boss) fittings...it's nice to have a vernier caliper on hand..
http://www.surpluscenter.com/images/techhelp/SAE.pdf

SC has other tech help Surplus Center

 

[k0ua]

I spent $150 total two 90 degree fittings and two 6 foot hoses and two 10 foot hoses to go from the location under the tractor where all of the OEM hoses attach to the loader valve. And of course all of the male and female quick connects. I made a simple L bracket for the torque tube. I can easily remove the loader by unplugging the two QCs in the middle. It all works well.

 

[RINGPOWERTALLY]

most of the CNH stuff is all ORF style connections and ORB adapters on there pumps and valve bodys.

 

[2Buckslake]

J_J This is the diverter valve that SC. recommended. It is a 9-7738-A,with SAE12 ports. It has 2 solenoids, which get hooked together in parallel. When you press the button, one circuit opens, the other closes. Is the one you suggested act the same way, with the exception that it has SAE 8 ports? The tech from SC said I would take the two existing lines feeding the curl circuit and hook into this valve, then take two hoses for each operation and hook to the remaining 4 ports. Is this the way the one from bailey operates? It's quite a bit cheaper than the one from SC. I have to wonder about quality when there is that much of a difference in price. /Pine, thanks for the link for fitting sizes. Thanks for your replies! I guess some hyd. mfg's. all have different pricing and products.

Here is a selector/diverter valve from Baileynet.com

Stackable Solenoid Operated Circuit Selector Valve | Type SAE 8 SELECTOR VALVE SOL OPT SAE 8 220-934

Add switch to the joystick handle, some short hoses, and fittings and you are done.

 

[matoyan]

Here is a selector/diverter valve from Baileynet.com

Stackable Solenoid Operated Circuit Selector Valve | Type SAE 8 SELECTOR VALVE SOL OPT SAE 8 220-934

Add switch to the joystick handle, some short hoses, and fittings and you are done.

Hi J_J, can I use this instead of 3rd function auxiliary or is this a 3rd function? I wanted to get a grapple and I don't have rear remotes. I wanted to tap into my power beyond and then into the solenoid and then out?

 

[J_J]

J_J This is the diverter valve that SC. recommended. It is a 9-7738-A,with SAE12 ports. It has 2 solenoids, which get hooked together in parallel. When you press the button, one circuit opens, the other closes. Is the one you suggested act the same way, with the exception that it has SAE 8 ports? The tech from SC said I would take the two existing lines feeding the curl circuit and hook into this valve, then take two hoses for each operation and hook to the remaining 4 ports. Is this the way the one from bailey operates? It's quite a bit cheaper than the one from SC. I have to wonder about quality when there is that much of a difference in price. /Pine, thanks for the link for fitting sizes. Thanks for your replies! I guess some hyd. mfg's. all have different pricing and products.

What is the GPM on your tractor?

Hydraulics:
Pump flow: 9.8 gpm [37.1 lpm]
Total flow: 14.9 gpm [56.4 lpm]
Steering flow: 5.1 gpm [19.3 lpm]


That valve you posted is a 15 GPM valve.

I would use this valve http://www.surpluscenter.com/Hydrau...BLE-SELECTOR-VALVE-12-VDC-P15544-1-9-5117.axd

http://www.surpluscenter.com/_MoreSpecs/i9-5117.pdf