MossRoad
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Recession? Inflation?
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Mountain Man -
Unfortunately as Mike alluded too, my prediction is that this thread will only go downhill. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Seen it (and been involved in it) plenty of times on TBN - folks get all wound up in the emotional aspect of a "discussion" then all heck brakes loose.
Facts will take a second seat to people's "right" to an "opinion." Heaven forbid if you point out their "opinion" is based on faulty information - or flaws in logic - you'll be labeled and then a bunch of slanderous garbage that has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand will be thrown your way (plenty of posts in the archive for your perusal if you’re so inclined.... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
I'm generally a verbose poster, but quite frankly, I've pretty much given up on any type of "debatable" subject matter on TBN. Boiled down - it just isn't worth it because it’s a “no win” situation. You’ll never convince those who disagree with you - especially if you are a fact-based individual.
So, although I wish you good luck with this thread - just be prepared. (Unfortunately, from some of the replies, I sense the seeds have already been planted.)
Take care...
Unfortunately as Mike alluded too, my prediction is that this thread will only go downhill. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Seen it (and been involved in it) plenty of times on TBN - folks get all wound up in the emotional aspect of a "discussion" then all heck brakes loose.
Facts will take a second seat to people's "right" to an "opinion." Heaven forbid if you point out their "opinion" is based on faulty information - or flaws in logic - you'll be labeled and then a bunch of slanderous garbage that has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand will be thrown your way (plenty of posts in the archive for your perusal if you’re so inclined.... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif)
I'm generally a verbose poster, but quite frankly, I've pretty much given up on any type of "debatable" subject matter on TBN. Boiled down - it just isn't worth it because it’s a “no win” situation. You’ll never convince those who disagree with you - especially if you are a fact-based individual.
So, although I wish you good luck with this thread - just be prepared. (Unfortunately, from some of the replies, I sense the seeds have already been planted.)
Take care...
frank_f15
Super Member, Rest in Peace
nothing to be sorry about HAMBONE. but i will agree with u that the prices of everything is going up way to fast. gaoline here is up 20 cents in the last 2 weeks, natural gas is at all time high, and now they are setting us up for a major increase in electric rates, due to the power outage last week. think the american consumer is going to get it in the shorts again. hope this falls in the moderators guidlines?
Bird
Rest in Peace
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( increase in electric rates, due to the power outage )</font>
We weren't even a part of the northeastern power outage and our electric company is going up on the rates. I believe the news article in the paper attributed it to higher natural gas prices. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
We weren't even a part of the northeastern power outage and our electric company is going up on the rates. I believe the news article in the paper attributed it to higher natural gas prices. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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mountain_man
Gold Member
I appreciate your warning. My intent was to explore whether others (across the country) thought that the recession(?) was not as bad as the media reports. Frankly I thought this was an economic issue (not religion or politics).
To me, TBN'rs represent a cross-section of America, willing to invest their hard work and hard-earned money into tools (tractors/etc.) to improve/maintain their home, land and life-style. Not just a "fortunate" few.
BTW-Things are not all rosy here in Colorado. After the high-tech bubble burst, I have a couple of friends who were laid-off from their high-tech jobs. After months of trying to find work in their chosen field, they have re-invented themselves in other lines of work. However, they managed to secure gainful employment (and self-employment) and some now enjoy the change.
I appreciate the willingness of others to share their knowledge, experience and opinions in an open forum, and trust this will continue in a positive manner. Thanks,
To me, TBN'rs represent a cross-section of America, willing to invest their hard work and hard-earned money into tools (tractors/etc.) to improve/maintain their home, land and life-style. Not just a "fortunate" few.
BTW-Things are not all rosy here in Colorado. After the high-tech bubble burst, I have a couple of friends who were laid-off from their high-tech jobs. After months of trying to find work in their chosen field, they have re-invented themselves in other lines of work. However, they managed to secure gainful employment (and self-employment) and some now enjoy the change.
I appreciate the willingness of others to share their knowledge, experience and opinions in an open forum, and trust this will continue in a positive manner. Thanks,
fivestring
Veteran Member
News media is always doom and gloom. They tell us what the unemployment rate is, but did you know that employment is at all-time highs? Ask the illegals coming into to our country if the job market is tough. They find jobs that most Americans wouldn't want because of manual labor. There are plenty of jobs out there but most Americans want to start at the middle or top of the ladder.
bigpete
Veteran Member
<font color="blue"> There are plenty of jobs out there but most Americans want to start at the middle or top of the ladder. </font>
...and job turnover is the bain of retail today. I stood in Lowes for 30 minutes yesterday with dozens of people with money to spend and Lowes was understaffed at the check-out line--help wanted poster in the window.
It's virtually impossible to look at our own lives and the economic activities around us to come up with an accurate description of the big picture. Lot's of good points made here about the property we have earned from our hard work (i.e. computers through which we discuss our $15,000 tractors, $30,000 trucks, and $250,000 homes). Most of us in here are (I am) just plain lucky to be born in the right country to the right family at the right time. I try not to forget that.
Don't get me wrong, here. I believe wholeheartedly in self-motivation, personal initiative, constrcutive behavior, and or course the rewards that brings. If I lost my job today you'd see me at Lowe's shunting lumber with a forklift or explaining which direction a light bulb screws in.
All of the debate about current economic issues aside, we should all remember that priveledge can be revoked by fate in a hurry.
Now if you want to engage me in a debate about the banking industry... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
...and job turnover is the bain of retail today. I stood in Lowes for 30 minutes yesterday with dozens of people with money to spend and Lowes was understaffed at the check-out line--help wanted poster in the window.
It's virtually impossible to look at our own lives and the economic activities around us to come up with an accurate description of the big picture. Lot's of good points made here about the property we have earned from our hard work (i.e. computers through which we discuss our $15,000 tractors, $30,000 trucks, and $250,000 homes). Most of us in here are (I am) just plain lucky to be born in the right country to the right family at the right time. I try not to forget that.
Don't get me wrong, here. I believe wholeheartedly in self-motivation, personal initiative, constrcutive behavior, and or course the rewards that brings. If I lost my job today you'd see me at Lowe's shunting lumber with a forklift or explaining which direction a light bulb screws in.
All of the debate about current economic issues aside, we should all remember that priveledge can be revoked by fate in a hurry.
Now if you want to engage me in a debate about the banking industry... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
fivestring
Veteran Member
It's not just Lowe's, it's grocery stores, clothing stores, all of them. It's a shame. Even our teenagers think they should start at the middle or top. But, we won't go there about public schools....
<font color="red">"Now if you want to engage me in a debate about the banking industry..." </font>
I'll bite.....
<font color="red">"Now if you want to engage me in a debate about the banking industry..." </font>
I'll bite.....
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mountain_man
Gold Member
Well, my 15yr old started mucking out some neighbors' horse stalls when he was 12. He's got a nice little business, saved most of his money, has savings bonds & stocks (etrade account), bought his own horse and an 8" Meade telescope. Currently he's saving for a car, however he tells his friends his first car is a horse, 2nd car a tractor... So please don't lump all teenagers together, as I see a few willing to work (even at menial jobs).
fivestring
Veteran Member
Yeah, I've got one of each. One changes bedpans at the assisted living center and one wouldn't be caught dead doing that...beneath her. They learn a lot of ways (good and bad) from their peers and the peers they hang around with.
