Refurbished tractors questions

[Egon]

many of these oldies will still be doing an honest days worth of work while some newer ones have already been recycled.

How many hours do you get on those tractor's Soundguy?

Most tractors will last forever till they get some hours on them!

Or is it impolite/improper to ask pertinent questions that do relate to details and comments made?

Oh, did you notice that FWJ did mention something about usable life span and hours?

 

[Farmwithjunk]

How many hours do you get on those tractor's Soundguy?

Most tractors will last forever till they get some hours on them!

Or is it impolite/improper to ask pertinent questions that do relate to details and comments made?

Oh, did you notice that FWJ did mention something about usable life span and hours?

Since you bothered to deliberately misinterpret something I said, I'll field your attempt at driving the thread into a ditch.

MOST tractors built in recent years, especially so in a harsh service environment, do have a defined RELIABLE life expectancy. 5000 to 7000 hours and they're turning into money pits. Many smaller and many older tractors from a few decades ago seem to retain their reliability much longer. I've got a couple with over 15,000 hours on the clock. Yep.... They're ready to rebuild. But they went double the hours expected out of my newer tractors. Complicated electronics, transmissions, fuel delivery systems, ect, don't do anything to prolong the lives of newer equipment. They do run well when in good shape, but those complicated components become EXPENSIVE repair items at some point. All things equal, the oldies are much cheaper to maintain once they start to accumulate high hours. Worn out large newer tractors are just like high milage newer cars. They become difficult to sell at any price. And no one wants to dump money into them. It's far easier to sell an old tractor with high hours than with a "high milage" new one.

There's difference between "pertinant questions" and jabs and insults done as an irritant. But you already know that. We're all aware of that.

 

[Egon]

Since you bothered to deliberately misinterpret something I said,

Sorry, I can't differentiate between what was thought and what was printed. A mind reader I am not!

FMJ I did spend a few years around stuff that was run 24/7 so I may not be quite as naive as you infer.

The word is large, usually much larger than the whole world as we envision it around us!

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Sorry, I can't differentiate between what was thought and what was printed. A mind reader I am not!

FMJ I did spend a few years around stuff that was run 24/7 so I may not be quite as naive as you infer.

The word is large, usually much larger than the whole world as we envision it around us!

It's obvious you can't read too well either, or you'd be able to understand the VERY simple concept you've so decidedly misquoted, misinterpreted, and misunderstood. NO ONE else is having the same trouble. It's all on you, Sparky.

No one said anything about naive, except when you brought that up. Struck a nerve did we?

Apparently your vast wealth of knowledge is a might outdated. Or just not nearly as vast as you might think.


I'd suggest you should read and REread your closing sentence. I believe you're not doing so well at practicing what you preach.

 

[Egon]

Not to fear, I can read. I also ask questions too did you notice!

It seems that when anyone questions longevity in terms of hours rather than years some folks get right defensive.

Apparently your vast wealth of knowledge is a might outdated.

Thank you for allowing me a vast wealth of outdated knowledge. That should fit right in with the older tractors should it not?

Seems I'm not afraid of admitting I'm behind the times. Says so every time I post!

 

[Soundguy]

Well said Bill. If we could have put a MMM on our trusty ole' 35, we would have!!

Did you ever own an 1155?? Once we get our 35 resto done, that is next in my sights.

What is required by you insurance?? Is it all the safety options that the new tractors have??

I'm curious as to why you couldn't put a MMM on your 35. Woods made a kit for the 8n... I bet with a tweak or two.. it fits a 35/135.

Kit had a gearbox and drivetrain that let the rear pto drive the mower. I know a guy that has an 8X with a similar setup.

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soundguy

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Not to fear, I can read. I also ask questions too did you notice!

It seems that when anyone questions longevity in terms of hours rather than years some folks get right defensive.

In reply to the first sentence.......That should read, "Do I care"?

2nd, well, I'll agree with one thing, you are confused.

 

[Lunk]

FMJ

"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning."

As a spectator, I'm amazed by the folks on this forum who are brimming with good, solid, knowledge, and their willingness to help others.

That being said, I'm allso amazed by those whose sole purpose in life seems to be to up their post count with empty, useless attempts to butt into threads, without an ounce of actual purpose to their ramblings...

The internet is a great source of free speech/verse, just that sometimes it's not as great as others.

Keep up the good work and continue helping those of us in need!

Lunk

 

[Diamondpilot]

It all boils down to what you need. We all have opinions and most of them stink, including mine. I have a Ford 861 Powermaster and 28HP Jinma. I used the Jinma 150 hours last year and used the Ford 2 hours. Its a good old tractor but only does one thing better than the Jinma out of 100 task I do at my place so that leaves the Jinma to do the other 99 task. I would not miss the 861 if it left tomorrow after getting the Jinma but I hate to let it go.

It boils down to preference. I am not saying my Jinma is any better than my neighbors JD790 or my buddies Case DX29 or my dads neighbors NH TC33 but its the right match for me. This argument is just like the Ford Truck / GM Truck fight. I would rather have my third member cut off than drive another GM product, especially a truck. Others swear by GM. Another example is the R1 and R4 fight. I personally would not own a tractor with R4's unless I was just doing something like landscape work and was constantly on asphalt. To me a tractor is just not a tractor without R1's.

The OP needs to see what his daily task are then make a decision on what is best for him.

 

[john_bud]

I would not miss the 861 if it left tomorrow after getting the Jinma but I hate to let it go..

When can I come pick it up? If you put a bow and some ribbon on it and hum "Merry Christmas", I might cry with joy!

jb

 

[Diamondpilot]

Name your price. She is a good old tractor. It has the factory rear wheel weights and has led a easy life. She was sold to a company in Chicago to push snow and tow airplanes in and out of a hanger back in the 70's. Someone has painted it Ford Blue and did not do the best job but looks good from 10'. It has a 12 volt conversion and I had to put all new rims and tires on it 5 years ago due to the calcium rotting them out. It probably only has 10 hours on these new tires. Like I said I will probably just keep it for ever. She is a good Bush Hogging Tractor but like I said that is the only task I feel she does better than the Jinma. If I were to ever get a PTO Genny she would do a better job with it also I guess.


Chris

 

[Soundguy]

It all boils down to what you need. We all have opinions and most of them stink, including mine. I have a Ford 861 Powermaster and 28HP Jinma. I used the Jinma 150 hours last year and used the Ford 2 hours. Its a good old tractor but only does one thing better than the Jinma out of 100 task I do at my place so that leaves the Jinma to do the other 99 task. I would not miss the 861 if it left tomorrow after getting the Jinma but I hate to let it go.

It boils down to preference. I am not saying my Jinma is any better than my neighbors JD790 or my buddies Case DX29 or my dads neighbors NH TC33 but its the right match for me. This argument is just like the Ford Truck / GM Truck fight. I would rather have my third member cut off than drive another GM product, especially a truck. Others swear by GM. Another example is the R1 and R4 fight. I personally would not own a tractor with R4's unless I was just doing something like landscape work and was constantly on asphalt. To me a tractor is just not a tractor without R1's.

The OP needs to see what his daily task are then make a decision on what is best for him.

If you were closer to florida, I'd help you out by taking that 861 off your hands.

i have an 850.. nice machine.. but I wish it had the live pto like my 660 does.

If you ever need about 45 pto hp.. the jinma will be about 20hp shy of that powermaster. IE.. that powermaster will pull a 22kw pto generator.. compaired to the 12.5kw that the jinma will pull.. etc... Small tractor.. big hp...considering it is about the same size as a 8n or to20 fergy.. but at roughly 2x the hp.... "concentrated'.. i figure..

Glad the chi-com unit works for you right now.


soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Name your price.

Chris

If you ever drive to florida with a trailer in tow, email me!


soundguy

 

[studor]

I thought a little while about my experiences before responding to this thread again as it seemed to become a bit of a blood sport for a while -- but I would simply put it this way....
I read a lot before I bought an older tractor on forums like this and other places and I talked to a number of people with experience far greater than mine when it came to tractors and their use ....
I observed that many of my neighbours still had older tractors which they put to occasional or even everday use and that the prices of many of these tractors were within my envisioned price range....
Then with the encouragement of a few and a sense of confidence from the above activities I peed on the fence and bought an older tractor,,,,, I can laugh about it now after several years!!!
Then, since the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome,
I read a bunch more about newer tractors on this and other forums (in between buying and reading repair manuals)
I observed and talked to my neighbours about their newer tractors that they used to conduct their business everyday,,,,
Then I made friends with a fence tester!!!!
And I went and bought a new (albeit cheap!)tractor with him -- so far with excellent results.
So Mattman I would simply say what I have said previously here -- find someone with experience (and not the person selling something) to help you (the fence tester) -- and remember that people who tell you that in their vast experience the best way to test a fence is to pee on it (because they don't believe in those newfangled fence testers) are always right on a dark night when the fence is solar powered and has no battery -- not sure I like the odds.
Merry Christmas Everyone
Regards
Steve

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I thought a little while about my experiences before responding to this thread again as it seemed to become a bit of a blood sport for a while -- but I would simply put it this way....
I read a lot before I bought an older tractor on forums like this and other places and I talked to a number of people with experience far greater than mine when it came to tractors and their use ....
I observed that many of my neighbours still had older tractors which they put to occasional or even everday use and that the prices of many of these tractors were within my envisioned price range....
Then with the encouragement of a few and a sense of confidence from the above activities I peed on the fence and bought an older tractor,,,,, I can laugh about it now after several years!!!
Then, since the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome,
I read a bunch more about newer tractors on this and other forums (in between buying and reading repair manuals)
I observed and talked to my neighbours about their newer tractors that they used to conduct their business everyday,,,,
Then I made friends with a fence tester!!!!
And I went and bought a new (albeit cheap!)tractor with him -- so far with excellent results.
So Mattman I would simply say what I have said previously here -- find someone with experience (and not the person selling something) to help you (the fence tester) -- and remember that people who tell you that in their vast experience the best way to test a fence is to pee on it (because they don't believe in those newfangled fence testers) are always right on a dark night when the fence is solar powered and has no battery -- not sure I like the odds.
Merry Christmas Everyone
Regards
Steve

I'm thinking you might have let my point sail right over your head. I DIDN'T say there's anything wrong with new (or "newfangled" as you put it) I OWN new. My point is, your assertion that "old" spells trouble, downtime, and lack of reliability is far from accurate. New, if someone can justify the expense is a great thing. But quite a few people just can't (or won't) justify the cost. And in many cases, they stretch the finances based strictly upon the premise of "old = unreliable". And to top it off, you built your case around ONE instance of an old Massey 100 series, then passed them off as generally too old and too "antique", when I'm very much aware of the fact that ISN'T the case.

I'm also very much aware of the fact that newer tractors, with their more complicated components, are subject to expensive breakdowns that are far beyond the repair capabilities of the average shadetree mechanic. Warranties don't last forever. In MOST cases, the troubles don't seem to start about the time the warranty expires. And the concept that a new tractor is any less (or more for that matter) proned to breakdowns is absurd. BTDT, got a 2 year old $67,000 tractor in the shop right now with hydraulic troubles.

The longer I own tractors, the more I work them, the more I LIKE name brands and the less I have to say about 2nd tier manufacturers.

If you want to pass off experience as not really all that valuable, go right ahead. Just remember, it's not what you KNOW that'll jump up and bite you, it's what you DON'T KNOW. Experience usually lessens the amount you don't know.

 

[Soundguy]

I think i see the point... You bought a junker with alot of problems, and thus had alot of problems.. and now are turned off by oldies.

Ell things being equal.. had you bought a good serviceable machine.. you may have had less problems, and bette experiences.

When I bought my ford 5000.. I had the choice of a sturdy but cosmetically damaged model with a few minor problems.. but no major glaring abuse issues. for premim money.. IE 6k$
or the choice of 3 units in the 3000-3500$ price range.

All 3 had suffered from no upkeep and shoddy repairs, some were ran damaged with no repairs. all were cosmetically beat up.. thus it came down tot he mechanicals.

it's way easier to make apple pie when you start with good apples, vs rotten ones.

anyone can put int he time and rebuild a junker to 100% condition at huge expense, and lots of work.. lots of restorers like the challange.. of course. these are not the machines you bargain shop for to get a good deal... most guys that do this sort of thing know that you almost always end up with as much or more money into the repair/rebuild/refurbishment as you paid for the machine. Those of us that do most of our own wrench turning and painting and body work offset part of that cost with sweat equity.. leaving the bulk of the cost as parts and materials.. and shop charges for things like machine shop work.. etc...

soundguy

I thought a little while about my experiences before responding to this thread again as it seemed to become a bit of a blood sport for a while -- but I would simply put it this way....
I read a lot before I bought an older tractor on forums like this and other places and I talked to a number of people with experience far greater than mine when it came to tractors and their use ....
I observed that many of my neighbours still had older tractors which they put to occasional or even everday use and that the prices of many of these tractors were within my envisioned price range....
Then with the encouragement of a few and a sense of confidence from the above activities I peed on the fence and bought an older tractor,,,,, I can laugh about it now after several years!!!
Then, since the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome,
I read a bunch more about newer tractors on this and other forums (in between buying and reading repair manuals)
I observed and talked to my neighbours about their newer tractors that they used to conduct their business everyday,,,,
Then I made friends with a fence tester!!!!
And I went and bought a new (albeit cheap!)tractor with him -- so far with excellent results.
So Mattman I would simply say what I have said previously here -- find someone with experience (and not the person selling something) to help you (the fence tester) -- and remember that people who tell you that in their vast experience the best way to test a fence is to pee on it (because they don't believe in those newfangled fence testers) are always right on a dark night when the fence is solar powered and has no battery -- not sure I like the odds.
Merry Christmas Everyone
Regards
Steve