Remote Building Security

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ilander

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This thread is a spin off from:
Urgent, need security help - Page 7
Where I participated in discussion for security help regarding people stealing stuff from remote properties. This thread details what I discussed there.

Beginning about 1989 we put up two buildings back in the woods in a very remote location. Theft started right away and simple gates, door locks and no trespassing signs were useless. We stored a small Case tractor, implements for it, tools and building materials at the start. Fortunately they never swiped the Case 444.

We made several security efforts that worked for about 15 years. First was to double gate the property with the second gate several hundred feet down the trail. They never got past this gate for it had steel pipes as posts cemented in, the gate was chained to each post at each end with a lock.

Thieves in the area were using chain saws to bypass doors on wooden buildings and tools to take metal siding off metal ones. So we glued steel siding to the OSB sheathing as well as the screws. We put bars on the windows and blocked looking in with plywood on the inside. See picture.
1 Building, doors, bars, LB.jpg

I made glued laminated doors consisting of 2x4's, OSB, expanded metal, plywood, then corrugated siding. Door latches were just the simple keyed entry ones you find on household doors. Now comes the special door latch.

Both buildings had doors close to a corner. At this corner I came up from the ground with plastic conduit glued to a LB type junction box. The other end of the LB was pointed to the door. Now to the average person this was nothing more than a simple electric service, but in fact no wires were in there. Removal of the LB cover exposed the head of a bolt.

On one building this was a bolt that screwed into the door and served as a hidden dead bolt. Backing the bolt out about 20 turns allowed this door to open. See pic.
2 Small building.jpg

The other building is the one first pictured; it had double doors with a very complicated hidden lock.

Removing the LB cover exposed the end of a shaft that actuated the more complicated mechanism. See pic.
3 LB's bolt head.JPG

This picture shows the other end of that shaft, and the shaft in the door in engages to actuate the mechanism.
4 Mechanism, door open.JPG

The other door locked with four hammer driven dead bolts that hold the reinforced door solid to the frame. See pic
5 Side door bolts locked.jpg

When both doors are closed, a special keyed wrench is inserted into the LB, engages the shaft, and a quarter turn locks the second door to the door frame and other door. See two pics.
6 Door key.JPG
7 Doors closed, mechanism actuated.jpg

In 2005 thieves bypassed both gates through neighbors property, pried the small buildings door bit by bit until the bolt was discovered, then used a wrench in the LB's to easily open doors of both buildings, stealing over $5000 worth of stuff. Afterwards hex heads were replaced with special automotive-keyed lug nuts, in 2010 skids were put on and moved. See two pics.
8 Skid.JPG9 Moving Building in 2010.JPG

Thieves are like politicians, they will redistribute your wealth no matter what you do.

For those wanting to try this, you do not need to use a LB type fake electrical service. Be creative, anything that looks normal will work, such as running a threaded pipe through to the door with a water valve screwed to it. The valve would be fake, unscrew it would expose the mechanism.
 
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Very clever but quite an undertaking.
 
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Thanks for sharing! Some great ideas.
 
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Here in the Chicago area it would have been a lot cheaper to put out a hit on these guys. I learned a lot reading your ideas.
 
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Good designs and very well thought out. It is a shame that some people just don't stop.
 
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A determined thief will circumvent any protective measure except insurance. Get it and be done with it
 
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Those thieves were pretty determined and managed to get around most of your ingenious measures. Did your neighbors have trouble, and did any of the locals suggest who the thieves might be?
 
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I had all my stuff in a 20ft shipping container. This worked very well and its secure. I paid $1350 for the container including delivery and you can't build a secure shed for that money.
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Now I have a metal building with security and cameras.
 
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went to a guys place one day, and he had a solenoid attached to a door bolt, and I think he had what looked like a loose nail and could push in on the nail which pushed a push switch which activated the solenoid which would pull the bolt back, and the door would be open, I think he had a pin or some thing to hold the bolt open on the inside,

but it was a very simple key less entry system, kinda like the bolt in the LB box,
 
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Very clever but quite an undertaking.
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kateean2 said:
Very clever but quite an undertaking.

Is there a echo in here?
 
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In the first picture what is that machine with the tracks on it?
 
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Am I the only one thinking that the thieves could have had more reward with less effort through honest work?
 
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Am I the only one thinking that the thieves could have had more reward with less effort through honest work?
Honest work requires getting up on schedule and having a boss. The thief or thieves work when they need to and feel up to it...
 
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Here's what I've always wondered about that: what's to stop someone hiring a semi to come move it and stealing all your stuff in one go?

When I drove a truck the only way to get a container loaded was one of those huge rolling cranes down at the dock or rail yards. Maybe there's some way to drag them up the way the waste haulers do with their drop boxes. You'd need a killer fork lift to load them from the side.
 
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When I drove a truck the only way to get a container loaded was one of those huge rolling cranes down at the dock or rail yards. Maybe there's some way to drag them up the way the waste haulers do with their drop boxes. You'd need a killer fork lift to load them from the side.
The place near us that sells/rents containers has several trailers can self load 40' containers and a rollback truck that can handle a 20' container.
They have some pictures on their site: https://averdi.com/about/delivery_setup

Aaron Z
 
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When I drove a truck the only way to get a container loaded was one of those huge rolling cranes down at the dock or rail yards. Maybe there's some way to drag them up the way the waste haulers do with their drop boxes. You'd need a killer fork lift to load them from the side.

I don't know the details, but if you think about it, when you buy one, they bring it to you, and they get it off the truck somehow. One of the people I know who owns one uses it to store infrastructure for an annual event. They normally store the container at the site where the event is held, but they were considering having it moved from there to Atlanta, where a lot of event prep was going on. Ultimately, they didn't move it, but that's how I learned that container moving was a service that one could buy. So then I got to thinking, it's not like a car where the wrecker guy might ask to see the registration or something. What's to stop you from calling up a container moving service and having them "move" (i.e. steal) a container that wasn't yours?
 
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Here's what I've always wondered about that: what's to stop someone hiring a semi to come move it and stealing all your stuff in one go?

I had never thought of that. It would take some big cojones but I suppose it could be done.
 
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Here's what I've always wondered about that: what's to stop someone hiring a semi to come move it and stealing all your stuff in one go?

Reminds me of an ancient Chinese philosopher:


The precautions taken against thieves who open trunks, search bags, or ransack tills,
consist in securing with cords and fastening with bolts and locks. This is what
the world calls wit. But a strong thief comes and carries off the till on his shoulders,
with box and bag, and runs away with them. His only fear is that the cords and locks
should not be strong enough! Therefore, does not what the world used to call wit
simply amount to saving up for the strong thief?

Chuang Tzu
 

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