Removing Stumps

   / Removing Stumps #21  
Al,

My .02 - depends what you want to do with the land after dealing with the stump. Cedar won't rot down for a LONG time - even if you grind it down. Buddy of mine out in WA state still has Cedar stumps on his land from when it was first clear-cut over 50 years ago. The wood is still pretty solid.

My experience is with the stump of an 80ft Maple that was within 10ft of my house - hence had it ground down. I wanted it to revert to grass. Here's the lessons I learned:

1. Don't underestimate how much the ground has been heaved up by the tree. The guys that did my stump took it down about 6" below the surface around the tree. Really needed it down 12" below to get to the true grade in that part of the yard.

2. Make sure you clear off all the woodchips from the stump so that you can see how far down the grinder has gone - before the grinder leaves site. It's really hard to get the surface levelish under all those chips - had better than 18" of chips on top of my stump - and some very high spots that needed re-work.

3. Don't leave the stump ground in a 'bowl' - makes for a mess. Water will just sit in it.

4. Before you get the stump ground identify where the big lateral roots are and have those ground out too. On my maple they were as thick as some of my smaller tree stumps!

5. If you want it to grass over, get rid of the woodchips and bring in fresh dirt from somewhere else. It takes a while for the woodchip / dirt combination to break down.

6. If you don't have an FEL, move the chips when they're dry. In fact, even if you do, you'll still have some shoveling to do. Wet chips = sore back.

I don't think any grinder will do a good enough job to allow you to use that area for anything other than grass. The stump will be there for years.

Don't know the cost - I had it included as part of a bid to drop the tree (needed a lot of top work before they could fell it because so close to the house - had extensive disease damage). I did all the other clean-up.

Patrick
 
   / Removing Stumps #22  
I've burned them. Embers may last for several weeks but it works if the tree has been dead awhile.

Chris
 
   / Removing Stumps #23  
Patrick,

Thanks for taking the time to explain the art of stump grinding/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif. That was worth a lot more than 0.02 cents. Im dead set on this area for a garden, so kinda looks like the catskinner gets my arms and legs and the stump grinder gets the week end off.

Like your buddy I have quite a few big cedar stumps out in the pasture, some still have a cut for the spring board. These were cut around 1920 and at 80 years they are still a formidable opponent for a D7 Cat.All of them have huckleberries growing out the top. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif

Al
 
   / Removing Stumps #24  
Summarized from Prof. Michael Dirr of the University of Geogia, the author of the "Manual of Woody Landscape Plants" (known as the "bible" in the nursery trade):

Maculara pomifera is commonly called osage-orange, hedge-apple or bois d'arc. Averages 20'-40' in height with comparable spread. National champ is 60' x 85' in Charlotte County, VA. Fast grower: 9'-12' in a 3-5 yr. period. Only females produce the large fruit, the seeds of which squirrels will eat in winter. Rot-resistant wood is used for fence posts, bows, rustic furniture and patios.

Transplants readily. "The poorer the site the better; withstands wetness, dryness, wind, extreme heat, acid and high pH conditions once established". [Sounds like a Kubota.] "Has been used for hedgerows in the plains states; not worth recommending for the residential landscape; has potential for rugged, polluted areas." The wood contains 1% 2,3,4, 5-tetrahydroxystilbene, which is toxic to a number of fungi and which may explain the wood's rot resistance.

Some almost thornless cultivars have been developed or found. One is "Wichita" a near-thornless male clone selected by John Pair of Kansas State. "White Shield" was discovered near White Sheild Creek in western Oklahoma in the 1990's. It is "the most thorn-free clone to date and has beautiful leathery lustrous dark green leaves." It has grown to over 20' in 4 years at the Raulston Arboretum in Raleigh, NC.

Thus Dirr.

According to Prof. Donald Wyman, former director of the Arnold Arboretum at Harvard, in his book "Trees for American Gardens": osage-orange is "recommended for use only in the midwest, where it seems to withstand cold winters and summer drought better than most other trees. It is used chiefly as a windbreak or hedgeplant (along fence rows) because of its unusually vigoruous growth and stout thorns and ability to withstand heavy clipping. When planted along a fence row, it quickly grows into an impenetrable thorny mass capable of confining stock throughout the year."

This is me: It's rare to find a fast-growing hardwood tree. Most fast-growers are soft. It's a novelty tree here in the East. The fruit are fun to whack with a baseball bat.
 
   / Removing Stumps #25  
glennmac,

I'm with you ...

<font color=blue>This is me: It's rare to find a fast-growing hardwood tree. Most fast-growers are soft. It's a novelty tree here in the East. The fruit are fun to whack with a baseball bat.</font color=blue>

I'm going to put some in as a hedge / part of a windbreak. Hey - maybe I get to justify a new tractor and backhoe in 10 years if my wife decides they need to come out!!!!

Patrick
 
   / Removing Stumps #26  
Good advance planning! If you dont want the thorns, see if you can locate the White Shield cultivar through a good nursery.
 
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Here's the real stump puller.

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How did you know that's what I had? Don't why I ask as you know everything!!! Mean that good. It's the original one that Sony came out with John, the digital mavica 10x model # MVC-FD7. I originally bought it so I could take pics of my x-rays and send to the radiologist via email. He could give me an answer in 5 minutes as to whether or not there was an abnormality. I've since bought a better one for that and use this one for all of my other stuff. I've had it a long time now and not one problem.

18-35034-TRACTO~1.GIF
 
   / Removing Stumps #30  
Never underestimate the power of a little girl! It takes you hours with the backhoe and a FEL to move that stump - but she can wrap you round her little finger in an instant!!!

Nice picture.

Patrick
 

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