Replacing Chinese Fluids

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Dave_Lilly

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I have a new KAMA 354 with a FEL. I have read that the Chinese fluids are junk and should be replaced. Where is the best place to buy hydraulic and gear lubes?
I also would like to modify the exhaust to use a flapper type cover, but I can't seem to find either the fluids or the flapper anywhere on the Internet.
Thanks
 
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Dave, I bought the flapper valve at NAPA and all of the fluids at TSC. Get the non-foaming fluids. I think fluids can be purchased at Wally World as well.
 
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I finished changing all the fluids today(Jinma tractor ). I got them at TSC Traveller brand hydraulic Oil,motor Oil, and gear oil. All are good quality non foaming and good for yellow metal. I recommend flushing with diesel . Robby
 
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What was the GL rating of your gear oil? I just did a kerosene flush and used GL-5 gear oil. The container said nothing about yellow metal but now I find that extra pressure additive can cause a problem with yellow metal. (http://home.earthlink.net/~cmcguffey/amsoil/lubebsk7.htm )What GL rating should I have used? Plan to put on another 100 hours on tractor and then do another flush. Would this be a problem?
 
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Should be a GL-1 rated mineral oil. I bought mine at NAPA. My manual actually states 30W non-detergent engine oil in both the transmission and front axle, but I found that it made for difficult shifting and the 90W GL-1 really smoothed things out and the tranny is much quieter.

The additives, from what I've researched, are only a real problem with "yellow" metals when there is moisture present in the system. The chlorine reacts with the water and causes the non-ferrous metals to oxidize. Before I did the researching I ran GL-5 90W for about 50 hrs and didn't notice any discoloration, but why chance it. You might want to consider an early changeout.

There's been a lot of discussion on the Chinese transmissions and creeper boxes. I would remove the creeper box top, if your is so eqipped, and make certain it's getting lubricant in there. The only way it is fed is seepage through the gaps in the ball bearings. Flushing the unit should eliminate any sludge that would prevent the flow from getting into the box.
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( )What GL rating should I have used? )</font>

The GL-1 rating you select depends upon personal preference and availability. See this CHART, and you'll get an idea of what I mean.

Regarding "safe for yellow metals", the GL5 you used - probably wasn't. Rule of thumb; if it's not marked as "safe" on the container, don't buy it for the current Chinese tractor design.

That said, there probably are plenty of other tractors and implements that no longer use "yellow metals" in critical lube areas. For them, this rule of thumb doesn't apply. The hard part is determining which tractors actually fall into that group.

//greg//
 
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I'd like to post a few options.. as this is an issue that we old ford owners also face... lots of yellow metal ( in belly hydro pump ) in the common oil sump.

Lots of guys are using the NAPA 65-205 90w GL-1 oil.. and lots more are using the TSC 'traveler' "Ford 1939-1952" tranny fluid.. which as best we can tell is a 90w GL-3 oil... some mild ep properties. A few are also using a penzoil/castrol gearplus sae80w90GL-4 product that is marketed as 'safe' for yellow metals.. it was targeted at Old car collectors. I have downloaded the spec page / PDF file from penzoil.
GearPlus Gl-4

First paragraph states that it has EP qualities and is safe on bronze components.. etc.

Hope this helps.

Soundguy
 
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Sta-Lube (CRC) says their GL-5 gear oil has not been tested on yellow metal and they cannot recommend its use in my application.
I have read that gear oil that has an MT-1 rating has been tested on yellow metal. Did a search for MT-1 gear oil and found the following which says GL-5/MT-1 gear oil can be used in GL-1 applications.
http://tidewaterfleetsupply.com/tips3.shtml

Does anyone think a GL-5/MT-1 gear oil is not ok for use with yellow metal?
 
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<font color="blue"> Does anyone think a GL-5/MT-1 gear oil is not ok for use with yellow metal? </font>

Hey MiniDozer,

I used the Tractor Oils/Super Tech @ WalMarts. I used the 85w140 in my transmission and front drive. It says that it is ok to use with bronze and copper. The container also says that it is anti foaming.

Not all WalMarts carry the Tractor Oils though.

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Does anyone think a GL-5/MT-1 gear oil is not ok for use with yellow metal )</font>

Did you check out my link to the pennzoil 80w90 gl-4 gearplus lubes?

Soundguy
 
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I see why the link didn't work.. that was a link to load the pdf off a server.. try this link to the title page on their gear plus page. Mid way down the page you will see a link to a pdf file.. it says this:

"""For more technical data, see product data sheets. """

This PDF that loads up is for the gl-4 gear plus lube.

I'm not sure what you read.. but in plain english, in the first paragraph, it clearly states that it is bronze safe.

I have added red lettering and italics to the section that says this.. ( if I did it right.. ).

Soundguy


Pennziol Gearplus

Here's a plain text version:

GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 A Specialty Gear Oil For Applications Requiring GL-4 Performance PRODUCT DESCRIPTION PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 GEAR LUBRICANT is specially formulated to meet the unique requirements of API GL-4 service in manual transmissions and transaxles of passenger cars, light trucks and SUV’s. PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 GEAR LUBRICANT is blended from select base stocks and additives that yield a lubricant of exacting quality. This product is compounded utilizing specialized extreme pressure chemistry that provides protection of gears and bearings <font color="red"> </font> without being corrosive to bronze components <font color="black"> </font> . It contains foam suppressants to prevent wear, which can be caused by lubricant foaming and aeration. Effective rust and corrosion inhibitors protect metal surfaces from the effects of water contamination from condensation and the operating environment. PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 GEAR LUBRICANT resists the formation of varnish deposits on synchronizer components, thus assuring long, trouble-free operation. PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 gives the full protection of an SAE 90 under hard driving conditions while providing the flow characteristics of SAE 80W that are necessary during cold weather start-ups. This offers maximum lubrication and gear protection over a wide temperature range. APPLICATION PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 GEAR LUBRICANT is designed for manual transmissions and transaxles of both American and import vehicles. It is formulated to be compatible with “yellow metals”, such as bronze, found in synchronizers and other transmission componenets. BENEFITS • Meets the performance requirements of API GL-4 Service • Will not cause glazing of synchronizer components • Excellent thermal stability • Outstanding extreme pressure and antiwear protection • Prevents rust and corrosion • Inhibits foaming and aeration • September, 2004 Stock # 17922
September, 2004 Stock # 17922
TYPICAL PHYSICAL AND CHEMICAL PROPERTIES PENNZOIL® GEARPLUS® SAE 80W-90 GL-4 TEST METHOD TYPICAL RESULTS SAE Grade 80W-90 API Service GL-4 Gravity, °API ASTM D-287 27 Flash Point, °C(°F) ASTM D-92 210(410) Viscosity ASTM D-2161 & D-445 @210°F, SUS 76 @100°F, SUS 737 @ 40°C, cSt 159 @l00°C, cSt 14.5 Viscosity Index ASTM D-2270 93 Color ASTM D-1500 5.5 Pour Point, °C(°F) ASTM D-97 -26(-15) Low Temperature Viscosity, cP @ °C ASTM D-2983 <150,000 @ -26 Material Number 12/1 Quart 21176 35 Pound Plastic Pail 4804 120 Pound Drum 4805 400 Pond Drum 4806
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( This product is compounded utilizing specialized extreme pressure chemistry that provides protection of gears and bearings without being corrosive to bronze components )</font>


Ok.. italics worked but not red lettering.. here is the pertinant sentence.

Soundguy
 
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Soundguy,

I did not go to the tech data as I should have done.

Went to one of the main suppliers of the farmers around here and found a GL-1 oil but the label says nothing about yellow metal. When I asked for additional information he looked at me like I was crazy and said he had never heard of a problem with GL-5.

Wal-Marts brand GL-5 oil says it is safe and Sta-Lube's GL-4 gear oil label says "Not corrosive to copper, bronze or other non-ferrous alloy bearings and bushings". The technicial people at CRC never told me this when I called them.

Here is some more information on the subject which says service life can be cut in half using some GL-5 gear oils.
http://gravelyinfo.com/book/print/866

I have no intention of starting a second career; I just want to play with my tractor! Bought some more kerosene and will dump the GL-5 gear oil and replace it with Sta-Lube's GL-4 gear oil where the label says it is safe.
 
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Yep.. if you look around.. you can find a handfull of gl-4 and gl-5 products that are yellow metal safe. The vast majority do not claim this though.

Gl-1 will be safe as well...

good luck

Soundguy
 

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