Tiller Reverse Till Tiller...What do you think?

[Spudland_Dave]

Gee thanks now I have to get one of those! j/k

Off subject sorry but since we are talking about cost...what I want to know is why the cost is different on a reverse that's what someone can explain, a gear box is a gear box in my mind so whats the deal we want one so its higher for that reason? :confused2:

Steve

Steve, my little pea brain thinks along the same lines as you. I bet cost to manufacture them is exactly the same, BUT they can sell them for more because the reverse roation market has less players.
The "Normal" rotation market has all sorts of players...so that keeps pricing very competitive.

 

[taborekle]

I have a Land Pride Reversing tiller for my B2920. I got it with the sheet bolt, but broke so many bolts that I paid to upgrade it to a slip clutch. Works great.

Here's a good video of me tillering in some grass clippings.

YouTube - Kubota Tillering

 

[Reg]

Well...the correct job for THAT job would be a power rake. I've used my tiller before and the Power rake is 300x better.

I think the common thread here is "if a Reverse rotation machine wasnt so much money, we would all prefer one"....

I think a MORE common thread is that the reverse rotation tiller does a bit better in a single pass through soil that is already cleared.
The forward rotation tiller does better by "climbing over" stuff that hasn't been cleared out and in those conditions you need a second pass anyway.

If there had been a huge price difference when I bought mine I would have noticed that and done some more investigation, i.e. to figure if the additional cost was worth it.

 

[Reg]

Gee thanks now I have to get one of those! j/k

Off subject sorry but since we are talking about cost...what I want to know is why the cost is different on a reverse that's what someone can explain, a gear box is a gear box in my mind so whats the deal we want one so its higher for that reason? :confused2:

Steve

A gear "box" is a gear "box", but the contents are almost certainly different (-:
In manufactured parts the way things go around... probably isn't a 50/50 split.
Most threads are "right handed"..... for historical reasons.
SOME things tend to tighten or loosen in use - and that can depend on direction of rotation as well as handedness of threads.
It is just EASIER to design and build most stuff to go along with the right handedness of threads and gears.
Oh Yeah, unless you are dealing with only straight cut gears and chains left/right handedness matters there too.
Oil spinners on shafts have to be cut the opposite way too.

I don't know what the split is, but in this stuff my guess is > 80% is "normal" rotation and that makes parts for the majority cheaper.

 

[Minotbob]

If I'm not mistaken there was a thread here about 6 months ago where a guy dug into the gear box and changed his rotation from forward to reverse.

yup here it is, http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...ller-conversion-forward-rotation-reverse.html

 

[Car Doc]

It is just EASIER to design and build most stuff to go along with the right handedness of threads and gears.
Oh Yeah, unless you are dealing with only straight cut gears and chains left/right handedness matters there too.
Oil spinners on shafts have to be cut the opposite way too.

Whoa how does "righthandedness" have to do with a keyed or splined shaft and what does a machine care what it is being made to do ya lost me? CNC machines will do anything in mirror image as easy as forward "if" that was necessary.

So are you also saying these reverse rotation tillers all have left handed fasteners and gears etc because the tines go "backwards" even if they did how would that be a problem quite frankly I would bet they don't?

Steve

 

[Reg]

Whoa how does "righthandedness" have to do with a keyed or splined shaft and what does a machine care what it is being made to do ya lost me? CNC machines will do anything in mirror image as easy as forward "if" that was necessary.

So are you also saying these reverse rotation tillers all have left handed fasteners and gears etc because the tines go "backwards" even if they did how would that be a problem quite frankly I would bet they don't?

Steve

Not saying that at all, just that the tendencies of SOME fasteners to self tighten/loosen would be a design consideration - it is about a lot more than just turning stuff the opposite way.
End thrust on shafts too, not saying it is a MASSIVE issue, just has to be considered.
Yeah, not much CNC these days. Carving things out of solid chunks of stuff, or even rough castings, has pretty much gone by.

Just having a second set of parts around for some small percentage of the sales costs disproportionately.

Not something I'm that interested in, forward rotation works well enough for me.
It climbs over roots where necessary, I can get out and till earlier, etc.
The advantages of reverse rotation are outweighed by forward rotation anyway, so I don't see a problem with having those who WANT reverse rotation paying a premium for it.
Majority market pull, etc.

If you want to petition for this sort of thing forward/reverse PTO on the tractors would probably have more utility.

 

[Car Doc]

Reg,

I was just joking about the "why" they cost more I was just making a snide comment about sales and marketing is all.

There isn't much if any difference in the cost to manufacture once the tooling and vendors is setup kind of like making a left and a right handed fender.


Steve

 

[SCDolphin]

I just went thru the same dilema. Landpride 25 72 inch.....$3950. KK c 15% discount at tractor supply $1550. If they were within 1k might have gotten the land pride but could not justify the difference in cost