Rim Guard Ballast

[MHarryE]

Has anyone experienced a real gusher tire cut/puncture with beet juice? My nephew asked me if I had ever heard of somebody filling tires with beet juice and I told him that many people here recommend it as tops. His reason for asking is a friend of his purchased a tractor that he was not aware had beet juice. He punctured the tire with a deer antler, major hole, sprayed the tractor bad getting into everywhere around the cab, between cab and transmission, etc. He has never been able to get it completely cleaned up and hates to work on the tractor because it remains sticky.

CaCl doesn't do a tractor any good under the same circumstances although it can be flushed off easier. A problem is that you can never seem to get at every nook and cranny.

Rusting rims - Goodyear (their old handbook since Titan owns the US ag business now) and Firestone recommend filling tubeless without tubes. Their books say that even if the rims are not completely covered with CaCl solution. There is only so much free oxygen to cause oxidation. Once the oxygen is gone, rusting stops. Better yet if inflated with pure nitrogen. The oxygen in H2O is not free to cause oxidation even though one thinks of salt water as a horrible rust agent.

The worst rusted rims I have seen are tube type tires filled with CaCl solution. Solution leaks out of the tube to valve stem interface because of tire movement shifting the tube - remember the stem is anchored in the hole in the rim. Creates a small leak, salt water gets between the tube and rim, the tube type tire is not sealed so air can get in. Air, salt water, rusted rims. Picture attached is the rim from an older tractor, tube type tire with tube, customer brought it in because it was leaking at the stem. He went away with a used rim from an old tractor that had never had ballast.

 

[WilliamBos]

Why waste the money on liquid ballast, cast is the way to go. Radial tires and cast ballast have been the norm in the Ag industry for years.

 

[milkman636]

Why waste the money on liquid ballast, cast is the way to go. Radial tires and cast ballast have been the norm in the Ag in dusty for years.

My smaller tractor does not have holes in the rear rims for attaching steel weights, it would require drilling. The tire shop was able to load 900 lbs. of rimguard in less than an hour and it cost less than steel weights would.

If I have a puncture I'll have to get one of the tires refilled, just like I did over 15 years ago with a CaCl filled tire on a previous tractor. In the last twenty years it has been a one time deal for me so far.

 

[Soundguy]

SURE that's scientific enough if you can """validate that air pressure in the tubeless was at correct operating pressure"""" which I'll bet you can't accomplish. Ok you're not going to prove or convince me that rear tubeless tires fall off the rim any easier than a tube type(when operated at same PSI) so you'll be happy to know I"M DONE on the SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!

here's a parting thought. respond or not.. your call.

take a tubed and a tubless tire.

put in 5 psi.. .. load it till it unseats the bead.... now.. while it is unseated. put an electric air compressor onto the tire stem.. the kind that plugs into the cig lighter.

which do you think will air up and reseat in a few mionutes?

i'm betting on the one that has a bag inside that is airtight.. vs the one wher ethe low volume air will wizzz right out the open bead.

you don't have to agree with me.. but I believe, in practice for conversation sake, that my contrived situation will work.

 

[Tx Jim]

Obviously in your test scenario the tube type tire would re-seat before a tubeless would re-seat BUT you're a long way from proving tube type rear tire is BETTER. My neighbor farmer has 16 rear tractor tires and they're all tubeless. I WILL NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Soundguy]

I wish i only had 16 rear tires to deal with.. I probably have 3 times that many...

have a good thanksgiving.

 

[rayclar]

Soundguy, congrats on handling your side very well. To me it is a no brainer , a tube tire will keep a low pressure tire on the rim 99.9% of the time when the bead is broken, where a tubeless tire, ahhh lots of luck?

 

[Soundguy]

Soundguy, congrats on handling your side very well. To me it is a no brainer , a tube tire will keep a low pressure tire on the rim 99.9% of the time when the bead is broken, where a tubeless tire, ahhh lots of luck?

yep. just seems like common sense to me. with an air bag holding the air.. the bead can pop off and you can re air and go.

we have plenty of construction equipment and run in the sand. turn with heavy laods. run low pressur efor traction. if we had to rely on a bead holding air.. we'd be down mor ethan up sometimes.

Some of the cheap rubber I see on tires too is troubling. seems like the rubber is porous. new rim.. new tubless tire.. and it leaks down in a few days. add a tube..and nada. ( the new fronts on my 850 ford laoder tractor... brand new shiney rims.. brand new black tires with the whiskers still on em... )

I just now automatically tube anything offroad at my place. lawnmowers included..

 

[Red Horse]

View attachment 347625Has anyone experienced a real gusher tire cut/puncture with beet juice? My nephew asked me if I had ever heard of somebody filling tires with beet juice and I told him that many people here recommend it as tops. His reason for asking is a friend of his purchased a tractor that he was not aware had beet juice. He punctured the tire with a deer antler, major hole, sprayed the tractor bad getting into everywhere around the cab, between cab and transmission, etc. He has never been able to get it completely cleaned up and hates to work on the tractor because it remains sticky.

CaCl doesn't do a tractor any good under the same circumstances although it can be flushed off easier. A problem is that you can never seem to get at every nook and cranny.

Rusting rims - Goodyear (their old handbook since Titan owns the US ag business now) and Firestone recommend filling tubeless without tubes. Their books say that even if the rims are not completely covered with CaCl solution. There is only so much free oxygen to cause oxidation. Once the oxygen is gone, rusting stops. Better yet if inflated with pure nitrogen. The oxygen in H2O is not free to cause oxidation even though one thinks of salt water as a horrible rust agent.

The worst rusted rims I have seen are tube type tires filled with CaCl solution. Solution leaks out of the tube to valve stem interface because of tire movement shifting the tube - remember the stem is anchored in the hole in the rim. Creates a small leak, salt water gets between the tube and rim, the tube type tire is not sealed so air can get in. Air, salt water, rusted rims. Picture attached is the rim from an older tractor, tube type tire with tube, customer brought it in because it was leaking at the stem. He went away with a used rim from an old tractor that had never had ballast.

Thx- good logical info.