Due app. 10/12, we have confirmation they are built. Pricing is on our website. Both of these are heavier (it's not that they are structurally "heavier", but rather more metal was required for mounting, brackets, etc., so they weigh more) than most of the ROPS groups, thus shipping will cost us more and we have only tentative prices....though I don't expect to see the prices change more than $20-$30 if they change at all once we have final pricing information. However....to anyone willing to order & pay now we will guarantee the prices on our website, including shipping, and those will be first in line to be shipped.