ROPS Height ?

[waxahachie]

Are there any dealers out there that can answer this question?
Why is the ROPS so high for these tractors?
Most of the small tractors easily clear an 8' door, but not Kioti/Bobcat
So it isn't feasible to install a canopy on the tractor without cutting down
the ROPS. How crazy is that.

 

[BTI]

It's all about the safety.
We are taller than our Asian counterparts.
So they have to make them to fit even the tallest of we folk LOL.
The Kubota L series and up are all at least 85" or higher.
Maybe the B-Series is lower but typically the ROPS on all new machines are pretty high.
I think the over 84" height starts at the machines that can be equipped with 24" rear rims.
Seems to be the case anyway.

BTI

 

[ray66v]

The height for a ROPS is determined by US government federal regulations. That means bureaucrats. :thumbsup:
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=FEDERAL_REGISTER&p_id=18478

 

[k0ua]

now I know who to blame! My old b7500 easily cleared 84 inch doors. my new L3400 will not. have to fold it down every time. I am a pretty big boy, and the ROPS is way over my head. If it was just a couple of inches less, it would clear.
James K0UA

 

[jimmyj]

The ROPS has been designed to hit the top of my barn door exactly 5 times in the last 2 years. It was intentional!

 

[Johndeere3720]

also, when you are using a hoe, you need the ROPS height so you dont hit your head on it if your really tall.

 

[ray66v]

The inside opening has to be 30" above the highest point the seat can be set at.

If you have a seat that raises up for backhoe use, you end up with a ROPS that is very high, when the seat is set in the driving position.

 

[lilranch2001]

I am glad when I built my barn I installed 10' and 12' high doors in it

 

[Sandlot]

Higher means less likely to roll completely over. When you flop your tractor on her side, it acts like another outrigger.

 

[Daguvanuh]

I cut some off my DK40 HST Kioti.
It will now just fit in the garage. The bottom original hole is gone. The original top hole is the bottom and and the new hole made for the top pin receives the "hinge" pin perfectly. The about 6" cut away at the bottom I do not percieve as a safety issue..

 

[lilranch2001]

I cut some off my DK40 HST Kioti.
It will now just fit in the garage. The bottom original hole is gone. The original top hole is the bottom and and the new hole made for the top pin receives the "hinge" pin perfectly. The about 6" cut away at the bottom I do not percieve as a safety issue..

I hope Obama does not send the feds out to get you for cutting off that ROP

 

[CowwFace]

I cut some off my DK40 HST Kioti.
It will now just fit in the garage. The bottom original hole is gone. The original top hole is the bottom and and the new hole made for the top pin receives the "hinge" pin perfectly. The about 6" cut away at the bottom I do not percieve as a safety issue..

Hey Dag...

I bet that makes the DK40 look like a dang RACING machine!!!

I put lights on my ROPS, and caught heck for drilling 1/8" holes in it.. I wonder what kind of slack you're gonna get! I'd love to see a picture of coarse!

Carry on,
Phill

 

[KiotiDave]

The height for a ROPS is determined by US government federal regulations. That means bureaucrats. :thumbsup:
Roll-Over Protective Structures - 70:76979-77025

Hi All,
Actually you are part right. These ROPS are approved for use all over the world. It is not cost effective to make seperate roll bars for all the different requirements set up in different countries. So they make one that satifies all.
Dave G.
KiotiDave

 

[ray66v]

Hi All,
Actually you are part right. These ROPS are approved for use all over the world. It is not cost effective to make seperate roll bars for all the different requirements set up in different countries. So they make one that satifies all.
Dave G.
KiotiDave

In the United States there are regulations that are required to be met for equipment sold here.

These regulations are established by OSHA, which is a branch of the US government. Which was my point.

Please explain how, if any, or all of these requirements are also accepted by other countries, which is irrelevant, would make me part right.

 

[KiotiDave]

Because it is not only the specs in the US that are considered when they build these ROPS. If you measure them and check all the US specs you may find that some are surpassed to satisfy a spec from another country.
If you like I will say you are entirely right! I hope this makes you feel better. I think the original question was "why are they built so high"?
Dave G.
KiotiDave

 

[ray66v]

Because it is not only the specs in the US that are considered when they build these ROPS. If you measure them and check all the US specs you may find that some are surpassed to satisfy a spec from another country.
If you like I will say you are entirely right! I hope this makes you feel better. I think the original question was "why are they built so high"?
Dave G.
KiotiDave

I don't know what could be relevant to the thread, as far as surpassing US specs. other than your apparently suggesting that a ROPS may be built higher than is specified by the united states government, (which would not necessarily then met our standard, which calls for them to already be very high), so that they can also meet some other specifications.

Note the inside dimension in the OSHA regulation is not variable, it's not a minimum number that allows for additional height, it's specified.

Can you provide any actual evidence of additional height, that goes beyond US standards, on any equipment sold in the US?

It's important if it would change the fact that they do not fit in a 7' opening, (the most common gripe).

If you could show me where a tractor would have fit in a 7' opening, except the manufacturer decided to save a buck, and make the ROPS higher, so they could also sell it somewhere else, I think that would make an interesting thread.

 

[Loren49]

Is there any evidence that the OSHA requirement has changed under the current administration as was implied earlier in the thread? The OSHA site posted by KiotiDave is dated 2005. I predict that the ROPS has saved many lives (better chance if wearing your seatbelt) I haven't heard of a death when this occurred but have heard of a number of deaths on tractors with no ROPS.

Loren

 

[ray66v]

Is there any evidence that the OSHA requirement has changed under the current administration as was implied earlier in the thread? Loren

Who suggested that?

The OSHA site posted by KiotiDave

For the record, I posted that.

Considering the way our government likes to layer bureaucracies, I would be very surprised if OSHA is the only entity that has regulations concerning the ROPS.

In fact, I would bet the consumer products safety commission has involvement in this area. Probably also the DOT, the dept of agriculture, and six others we never heard of.

 

[Loren49]

Sorry about that KiotiDave. Thanks for the correction ray66v.

There was a bit of president bashing earlier which is why I made the point.
I agree that there are various agencies involved. The standards are established, there is oversight of units being sold in US and OSHA and Dept of Labor keep track of the workplace. I believe I can do what I like with my tractor and no one is telling me I need a ROPS on my Farmall A, but if I were employing others the oversight is different. At times workers' safety has been compromised in the name of profit. What can be done to make the system work better?

Loren

 

[PA hayseed]

I cut some off my DK40 HST Kioti.
It will now just fit in the garage. The bottom original hole is gone. The original top hole is the bottom and and the new hole made for the top pin receives the "hinge" pin perfectly. The about 6" cut away at the bottom I do not percieve as a safety issue..

Geez, you saved me a bunch of money. I was thinking about installing a different height garage door so I could leave my canopy on and my rops up when going into the pole building. Now I am going to hack that thing down. I figure whats the difference anyway, I never have it up, except for when I am doing loader work, driving down the road, or I put my canopy on.