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<font color="blue"> a rops will not save you in all cases so best is just simply not to have a tractor rollover in the first place, </font>
This is true...if for no other reason than nothing is always, and always is never...
Trouble is one can't "simply not have a tractor roll over in the first place." How many of those killed or seriously injured every year in tractor accidents did it on purpose or even expected it to happen to them? We certainly don't know the answer, but might guess that it was not a high percentage...
I personally would encourage anyone to wear/use safety equipment/devices. Still if one chooses not too, that is really his business. At least until my tax dollars are used to pay for his long term care, as the result of an injury that might have been avoided...
Like Markct said, tractors are not unsafe, their operators are. Maybe I should have said "implied", as on reflection I don't think he directly said that...anyway...
If a tractor does not have a ROPS it will likely still provide decades of service without incident. What would worry me, if I took my ROPS off, is how I would feel (if I was still around to feel anything) after something went wrong where having the ROPS might have been to my advantage...
This is true...if for no other reason than nothing is always, and always is never...
Trouble is one can't "simply not have a tractor roll over in the first place." How many of those killed or seriously injured every year in tractor accidents did it on purpose or even expected it to happen to them? We certainly don't know the answer, but might guess that it was not a high percentage...
I personally would encourage anyone to wear/use safety equipment/devices. Still if one chooses not too, that is really his business. At least until my tax dollars are used to pay for his long term care, as the result of an injury that might have been avoided...
Like Markct said, tractors are not unsafe, their operators are. Maybe I should have said "implied", as on reflection I don't think he directly said that...anyway...
If a tractor does not have a ROPS it will likely still provide decades of service without incident. What would worry me, if I took my ROPS off, is how I would feel (if I was still around to feel anything) after something went wrong where having the ROPS might have been to my advantage...
I hear ya! There are exceptions to every rule and everyone has heard, read, blah blah blah. The same thing goes for smoking, drinking etc…...I think you know where this goes.
First off, on my property it is not needed when using a mower.
#2 my property is level, not 5 degree, level.
#3 If I was using a BH I would use it.
#4 I old JD 455 did not have one, what makes this model any different????I had that for years without any use for one. Plus JD still sells an add-on FEL for this series...
That it my slanted view. Are these a saftey thing yup, so are safety's on guns but some do not like those either.
Keep in mind most safety items are because of lawsuits and the morons using them in non-common way. So they are protecting their business for lawsuits, not you.
First off, on my property it is not needed when using a mower.
#2 my property is level, not 5 degree, level.
#3 If I was using a BH I would use it.
#4 I old JD 455 did not have one, what makes this model any different????I had that for years without any use for one. Plus JD still sells an add-on FEL for this series...
That it my slanted view. Are these a saftey thing yup, so are safety's on guns but some do not like those either.
Keep in mind most safety items are because of lawsuits and the morons using them in non-common way. So they are protecting their business for lawsuits, not you.
your post was good until you state, "At least until my tax dollars are used to pay for his long term care, as the result of an injury that might have been avoided..."
All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc, but you know people; hence never happen and they can't deny coverage in the hospital. Nothing new.
Example, do we really need safety labels on grass mowers???.....That real story back in college was a joke.
***Also you and I are already paying for such coverage at the present time. Why do you think people medical coverages go up over 18% each year? ..are at least mine did.
All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc, but you know people; hence never happen and they can't deny coverage in the hospital. Nothing new.
Example, do we really need safety labels on grass mowers???.....That real story back in college was a joke.
***Also you and I are already paying for such coverage at the present time. Why do you think people medical coverages go up over 18% each year? ..are at least mine did.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( your post was good until you state, "At least until my tax dollars are used to pay for his long term care, as the result of an injury that might have been avoided..."
All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc, but you know people; hence never happen and they can't deny coverage in the hospital. Nothing new.
Example, do we really need safety labels on grass mowers???.....That real story back in college was a joke.
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gsxr1100,
Personally, I side with using safety equipment when available.
Your situation is somewhat unique in that your land is very flat and your tractor is only used for mowing.
Should a FEL or 3PH implement be attached, stability of the machine has just changed... significantly. A ROPS/seatbelt should definitely be used.
To re-address Henro's point, accidents do happen and injuries are more prone to happen if safety devices are not worn. I'm going to assume your handle means you probably have that super fast Suzuki (BTW, nice bike). Do you take appropriate safety measures both in attire as well as driving techniques? I see people around here driving with sneakers, t-shirts and jeans, but no helmet. An injury waiting to happen?
I'd have to say that I don't believe all accidents can be avoided as you've stated. I've been in wrecks myself that were not my fault, nor unavoidable.
All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc, but you know people; hence never happen and they can't deny coverage in the hospital. Nothing new.
Example, do we really need safety labels on grass mowers???.....That real story back in college was a joke.
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gsxr1100,
Personally, I side with using safety equipment when available.
Your situation is somewhat unique in that your land is very flat and your tractor is only used for mowing.
Should a FEL or 3PH implement be attached, stability of the machine has just changed... significantly. A ROPS/seatbelt should definitely be used.
To re-address Henro's point, accidents do happen and injuries are more prone to happen if safety devices are not worn. I'm going to assume your handle means you probably have that super fast Suzuki (BTW, nice bike). Do you take appropriate safety measures both in attire as well as driving techniques? I see people around here driving with sneakers, t-shirts and jeans, but no helmet. An injury waiting to happen?
I'd have to say that I don't believe all accidents can be avoided as you've stated. I've been in wrecks myself that were not my fault, nor unavoidable.
I use my BX22 also for FEL and BH work. I would use the ROPS when using the BH but the ROPS will be off, not installed for winter FEL work; due to my level yard. If I had a hill ,yes it would be on.
As I agree that the machine has changed but, again it is the same stability as my JD455 had…Nothing changed etc. Really the BX22 is about 250 lb heavier then my JD455.
Oh, My bike is not “super fast” I still can never get past 172 for some weird reason! I use what I have to per state laws. Do I wear sneaker, yes, do I wear t-shirts yes, helmet yes I have to per my state law…
So far in 14 years I have not hit a car or a person. Have I hit something yes. I hit a fence doing about 55 and totaled the bike due to a lady mind you. I also hit a telephone poll and again lived to tell the story. Did I get some road rash, yup. I rolled a lot and that helped.
Sneakers or boots do not matter I feel. A jacket??? Depends on the speed as the same with a helmet. I have heard the stories from my sister an RN at my local hospital and my father a state cop. Nothing new but we still ride.
My dad also is on his #3 bike. Hit a dear with one in MA, an antelope with another in ND and #3 was in TX due to rain.
As I agree that the machine has changed but, again it is the same stability as my JD455 had…Nothing changed etc. Really the BX22 is about 250 lb heavier then my JD455.
Oh, My bike is not “super fast” I still can never get past 172 for some weird reason! I use what I have to per state laws. Do I wear sneaker, yes, do I wear t-shirts yes, helmet yes I have to per my state law…
So far in 14 years I have not hit a car or a person. Have I hit something yes. I hit a fence doing about 55 and totaled the bike due to a lady mind you. I also hit a telephone poll and again lived to tell the story. Did I get some road rash, yup. I rolled a lot and that helped.
Sneakers or boots do not matter I feel. A jacket??? Depends on the speed as the same with a helmet. I have heard the stories from my sister an RN at my local hospital and my father a state cop. Nothing new but we still ride.
My dad also is on his #3 bike. Hit a dear with one in MA, an antelope with another in ND and #3 was in TX due to rain.
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Flat land doesn't mean a thing. A local guy killed himself by having his tractor roll while loading it onto a trailer... a ramp gave away at a critical moment.
Lots of trailering issues can happen, including driving of a trailer.
Also.. even on flat land, a rop can be usefull.. obviously with a rops, you use a seatbelt.. a seat belt keeps you in the tractors seat if a sudden tractor movement happens.. like a front wheel comes off ( has been posted about on this board ), or if a whole opens up in the ground ( buried tank, sinkhole.. gopher, etc. ).
The owner of the company I work for was thrown off a tractor when he was pulling a grader blade.. blade hit a burried telephone pole tie down.. stopped the tractor, he flew out in front of the tractor.. then tractor kept going and missed him by a few inches.. good thing.. he was unconscious and found the tractor stalled out agaist a tree a few feet from him, later that day.. he was lucky to only have a minor level 1 concussion...
Rops and seatbelts are a good thing... don't let anyone tell you any different.
Soundguy
Lots of trailering issues can happen, including driving of a trailer.
Also.. even on flat land, a rop can be usefull.. obviously with a rops, you use a seatbelt.. a seat belt keeps you in the tractors seat if a sudden tractor movement happens.. like a front wheel comes off ( has been posted about on this board ), or if a whole opens up in the ground ( buried tank, sinkhole.. gopher, etc. ).
The owner of the company I work for was thrown off a tractor when he was pulling a grader blade.. blade hit a burried telephone pole tie down.. stopped the tractor, he flew out in front of the tractor.. then tractor kept going and missed him by a few inches.. good thing.. he was unconscious and found the tractor stalled out agaist a tree a few feet from him, later that day.. he was lucky to only have a minor level 1 concussion...
Rops and seatbelts are a good thing... don't let anyone tell you any different.
Soundguy
So, you're saying that the ROPS goes on and off depending on what you're doing? I'm curious as to why the effort to do so. I like mine on for holding accessories as well.
Re: "I still can never get past 172 for some weird reason", I believe there's some "tweeks" that can be made to increase that. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Giving the anecdotes you've just provided, aren't you being somewhat disingenuous on safety? What I mean is you've provided several instances of accidents and injuries but previously stated "All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc,". I guess I'm just re-iterating that I agree with Henro that accidents do happen, and when they do, it's best to have as many safety devices in place as possible.
Brian
Re: "I still can never get past 172 for some weird reason", I believe there's some "tweeks" that can be made to increase that. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Giving the anecdotes you've just provided, aren't you being somewhat disingenuous on safety? What I mean is you've provided several instances of accidents and injuries but previously stated "All accidents can be avoided with proper care, education, common sense etc,". I guess I'm just re-iterating that I agree with Henro that accidents do happen, and when they do, it's best to have as many safety devices in place as possible.
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<font color="blue"> Why do you think people medical coverages go up over 18% each year? ..are at least mine did.
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Well, since you asked...I don't know for sure, but I'll take a guess...
Because they removed thier ROPS and the unexpected happened? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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To the original poster...hope you get that ROPS. From what I have read the statistics favor the ROPS user.
GSXR...it is a noble goal to hope/claim/promote that all accidents can be avoided. I know that this statement is the backbone of many large corporate safety programs.
At the risk of taking this thread further off target, but seeing that this is the SAFETY forum, I would think the reality is that the word "can" needs to be replaced with "could have" been avoided.
Generally, the industrial plants that have the best safety records also stress prevention the most. And prevention is both following safe procedures AND using all possible safety devices just in case the unexpected and unpredicted happens.
Each time we elect not to use something that MIGHT help is if the worst case happens, we lower our chances of avoiding or minimizing injury IF the worst case happens.
Anyway, do I care too much if someone elects to take risks that others may not? No, not really. Do I care if he is injured bad enough to need decades of care from health care providers, that will end up being paid for by the state because his medical insurance has maxed out? Yes I do, because he now is taking something away from me, as the result of the risk he elected to take to begin with. These things do happen. To what degree I don't know. I think the point I was trying to make was that I don't care what someone else does, as long as what he does has no affect on me.
Gee...it almost feels icy cold to say that! I sure don't wish harm on anyone. And I do hope that all injuries/accidents can be avoided for all of us here.
I read an interesting (bad choice of words) accident report a while back. A man was operating a older tractor without a ROPS. The ground was essentially flat from what I can remember. He was backing up, and there was a tree with a low horizontal limb, or something similar, behind him that he did see or knew was there, and forgot.
It was a gear tractor, and when backing up the limb pushed against his back and pinned him between the limb and the steering wheel. He was unable to take the tractor out of gear or to push in the clutch, and the end result was a fatality.
A ROPS probably would have saved him, even though it was not a roll over situation.
It is so hard to cover all the bases when it comes to accidents.
All we can do is try to maximize our odds...
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Well, since you asked...I don't know for sure, but I'll take a guess...
Because they removed thier ROPS and the unexpected happened? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Sorry could not resist. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
To the original poster...hope you get that ROPS. From what I have read the statistics favor the ROPS user.
GSXR...it is a noble goal to hope/claim/promote that all accidents can be avoided. I know that this statement is the backbone of many large corporate safety programs.
At the risk of taking this thread further off target, but seeing that this is the SAFETY forum, I would think the reality is that the word "can" needs to be replaced with "could have" been avoided.
Generally, the industrial plants that have the best safety records also stress prevention the most. And prevention is both following safe procedures AND using all possible safety devices just in case the unexpected and unpredicted happens.
Each time we elect not to use something that MIGHT help is if the worst case happens, we lower our chances of avoiding or minimizing injury IF the worst case happens.
Anyway, do I care too much if someone elects to take risks that others may not? No, not really. Do I care if he is injured bad enough to need decades of care from health care providers, that will end up being paid for by the state because his medical insurance has maxed out? Yes I do, because he now is taking something away from me, as the result of the risk he elected to take to begin with. These things do happen. To what degree I don't know. I think the point I was trying to make was that I don't care what someone else does, as long as what he does has no affect on me.
Gee...it almost feels icy cold to say that! I sure don't wish harm on anyone. And I do hope that all injuries/accidents can be avoided for all of us here.
I read an interesting (bad choice of words) accident report a while back. A man was operating a older tractor without a ROPS. The ground was essentially flat from what I can remember. He was backing up, and there was a tree with a low horizontal limb, or something similar, behind him that he did see or knew was there, and forgot.
It was a gear tractor, and when backing up the limb pushed against his back and pinned him between the limb and the steering wheel. He was unable to take the tractor out of gear or to push in the clutch, and the end result was a fatality.
A ROPS probably would have saved him, even though it was not a roll over situation.
It is so hard to cover all the bases when it comes to accidents.
All we can do is try to maximize our odds...
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