WayneB
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CCI said:
Like to looks of the CCM tiller. Maybe you can tell me the advantage of a gear drive verses a chain drive. Also do you have any local dealers in New England area.
Regards,
Wayne
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Like to looks of the CCM tiller. Maybe you can tell me the advantage of a gear drive verses a chain drive. Also do you have any local dealers in New England area.
Regards,
Wayne
jbrumberg
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I had no problems with my CCM MR-160 purchase and delivery. The service and response from both the trucking delivery service and follow up with CCM was satisfactory. The difference between KK and CCM tillers is hard to assess. KK's tillers appear to be made of higher quality steel, have better welds, and better paint than some of their other products. I do not know who makes KK's tillers but they appear pretty solid. IMHO the finish/assembly of the KK was somewhat (really insignificant) lower quality than the CCM (The gasketing between the gear box cover and the side plate of the KK appeared "cheaper".). I would have gone with the KK tiller, but their sales and marketing literature implied that my tractor had somewhat insufficient PTO HP (23+) to adequately handle the KK. I have since learned that the KK literature I had was outdated. I ultimately purchased the CCM due to "specs" (which can be dangerous). I also believe that gear drive is inherently stronger than chain drive, but I am biased as I had a differential gear driven tiller previously. NE's heavy, clay based and rocky soil puts a lot of strain on a tiller. I believe that a solid gear driven tiller is more "robust" than a chain driven tiller that will need ocassional adjustment, but it can also be said that a chain driven tiller may be more "forgiving". There are a lot of owners of chain driven tillers in NE that will challenge my opinions based on their own experiences. I did have to cut my drivelines quite a few times to make it compatible with my three point hitch which I would probably have to have done with the KK. I have had some detachment challenges with the CCM radial pin slip clutch, but that could be due to my own driveline set up based on my interpretation of the CCM tiller manual which is probably a translation from Turkish/Farsi. CCM's manual could be better. Having said all this I am happy with my CCM tiller. Jay
loulblades
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My brother has a 60" KK on his TC30 and I have borrowed it a couple times to run on my GC2300. It is definitely too much tiller for my tractor (even with the foam filled tires I put a couple of 12" blocks in the FEL to keep the front feet on the ground) but does it ever pulverive the clay we have here. It turns the ground into a near powder fine soil.
BTW: I just added a Woods 52" to my pile of attachments. It should be delivered Monday and I will be putting it to work right away.
BTW: I just added a Woods 52" to my pile of attachments. It should be delivered Monday and I will be putting it to work right away.
RollTideRam
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I have been looking at tillers for a few months. The CCI looks pretty good, but I can get a 60" KK local for $1250 loaded in my truck. JC
ducati996
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There was a thread recently regarding CCM tillers and this particular tiller had a design flaw that prevented tilling more than 3"-4" but it looks like the thread has disappeared. It was a post by Garabo - I wonder what the outcome will be because the customer cant use the tiller this way, but it looks like a total design flaw
I tell you one thing a First Choice tiller would not give you this problem -
So I would suggest buying one from one of the dealers on this board - like Corriher for a chain drive unit that works
Duc
I tell you one thing a First Choice tiller would not give you this problem -
So I would suggest buying one from one of the dealers on this board - like Corriher for a chain drive unit that works
Duc
ducati996 said:
The thread was gone before I saw any real explanation for his difficulty in using it. I don't really think my First Choice tiller and the CCI tiller are designed all that much differently. Gear vs chain, of course, but that has been hashed out more than I would care to think.
The tines on every tiller I've seen extend only a few inches below the skid shoes, not 6" as it appeared Garabo desired. The shoes also are mounted outboard of the tines, no difference there. Without evidence of other problems with the brand (I haven't read any here), I suspect user induced difficulties.
If anyone feels otherwise, please explain.
ducati996
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shvl73 said:
My first thoughts when seeing the pictures was the gear case, drain plug prevented any deeper depths for tilling. Not enough space between the guides and the gear cases. Something wasnt quite right with what I saw in the pictures, but not seeing it up close, I couldnt tell -
The poster did mention that he had zero issues with another tiller - so why did that occur?
What I've found is the skid shoes ride on the packed soil preventing deep tilling on first pass. On second pass they settle into the tilled soil allowing the tines to dig deeper. I think my tiller was rated for 6"-7" depth and it will definitely do it, just not on one pass. I would expect the same results on the CCI tiller. I really have no idea what was occurring with his unit and the post was gone before I saw much of it. I just think others here would be experiencing similar results, if it was a design issue.
On a related note, there was a recent thread about how Kubota hydraulics were inferior. My first thought was, how many satisfied owners didn't realize how there machine, purchased from the leading seller of compact tractors, was inferiorly designed.
I've been in front of more people than I'd care to remember, hearing how the product they've purchased was a piece of junk. When proper assembly, installation, etc., was pointed out and how their method differed, I'd have to listen to a verbal resume of how many years they've been doing this and how many they've installed. All this despite a gross deviation from proper methods and written instructions.
Some people just have worse results, sometimes of their own doing and it is very difficult to help them, especially over the phone rather than onsite.
On a related note, there was a recent thread about how Kubota hydraulics were inferior. My first thought was, how many satisfied owners didn't realize how there machine, purchased from the leading seller of compact tractors, was inferiorly designed.
I've been in front of more people than I'd care to remember, hearing how the product they've purchased was a piece of junk. When proper assembly, installation, etc., was pointed out and how their method differed, I'd have to listen to a verbal resume of how many years they've been doing this and how many they've installed. All this despite a gross deviation from proper methods and written instructions.
Some people just have worse results, sometimes of their own doing and it is very difficult to help them, especially over the phone rather than onsite.
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ducati996
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shvl73,
I would agree with the majority of what you said. I just dont think a tiller is a complicated hook-up. and the poster didnt strike me as inexperienced, and posted positive results right away with a different brand. Go figure - I know it really cant be resolved without seeing the unit to see if its operator or mfg error. It still struck me as interesting - and I would love to hear of some positive resolution other than a thread deletion (which raises more questions than it might be needed)...anyway just my 10 cents worth
Duc
I would agree with the majority of what you said. I just dont think a tiller is a complicated hook-up. and the poster didnt strike me as inexperienced, and posted positive results right away with a different brand. Go figure - I know it really cant be resolved without seeing the unit to see if its operator or mfg error. It still struck me as interesting - and I would love to hear of some positive resolution other than a thread deletion (which raises more questions than it might be needed)...anyway just my 10 cents worth
Duc