Round balers

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I have a lot to learn. Looking for recommendations on round balers. New Holland is king around here since they are headquarted about 30 miles away in New Holland PA.

I've looked at a ton of 'em on tractor house. Seems like net wrapping is a big plus.
What do I look for in a 4x4 or 4x5 round baler in terms of price, features, etc?
 
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when I was growing up we had NH balers. ALL of them were the beltless chain style and they worked great(I don't know if they make them any other way because I haven't seen them if they do). it was nice not having belts break and having to splice them back together best case or worst case replace one/all of the belts. the only thing is they cannot be overfed because they will bend/break the cross bars.
 
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A lot seems to depend on what's popular in your particular area.

Having said that, around here, it's JD, Vermeer or NH. Those three make up probably 90% of all round balers in our area. All three are good machines. I bought a JD, because I got a great deal on a good clean used one. If I had to go buy a new baler, it would have probably been a Vermeer. Vermeer 504M Classic

I have a JD 457. (458 is the current model, see here: JD 458) It makes a 4' wide x 5' tall roll. If I do my part, it will make a really nice, tight roll that weighs about 1000-1200 lbs. It uses hydraulic tension. That really helps keep the roll tight, from center to outside edge. Tight rolls hold their shape and stack well.

Just my preference, but I don't have the net wrap, and don't want it. It has to be cut from the roll before feeding. Now, net wrap is faster that wrapping a roll with twine.

On the JD, I would suggest the "Mega-Wide" pickup. Much more forgiving when picking up the windrow. On the Vermeer, the "HaySaver" wheels help to do the same thing. I also like the big "flotation" tires. If you have a cab tractor, I would look for a model with the electronic monitor.

If you're looking for a good used baler, you'll have to do some homework. You really need to talk to someone in your area that is using one and knows how to operate it. They can show you all the "wear parts" and what to look for. It's a long list. For instance, are the chains riding high on the sprocket teeth? That means that the chains are worn (stretched) and need to be replaced. Depending on wear, the sprockets may need replacing also. New chains and sprockets can easily cost hundreds of dollars. Are the belts worn and torn? A new set of belts will run well over $1000. You get the picture.
 
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I have a lot to learn. Looking for recommendations on round balers. New Holland is king around here since they are headquarted about 30 miles away in New Holland PA.

I've looked at a ton of 'em on tractor house. Seems like net wrapping is a big plus.
What do I look for in a 4x4 or 4x5 round baler in terms of price, features, etc?



Make sure you price out the sileage special. Heavier bearings, wider pick up auger, among things.
 
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my preference would be jd.
 
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I assume wide pickup is just what it says-wider swath of hay picked up compared to a standard model?
What are the star wheels set out at angles on the side of the baler for? Do they throw stray hay back in front of the pickup?

What size should I concentrate on? 4x5?
 
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What are you going to be doing? Selling the hay, dry rounds, custom baling?

If doing silage bales, I would keep away from "kits" that make them silage balers. Most around here haven't had good luck with those. Alright for the occasional wet bales, but too much wrapping around the rollers.

Would come to dealer support. New Holland being 30 miles away should be good support. I would see what dealers in the area seem to be in the hay equipment business and concentrate on one of those brands.
 
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on a newholland you can get the wide pickup with out getting a silage speacial

You can get the "Mega wide" pickup on a JD baler too - without the Silage Special. The JD 458 is a 4x5 baler and is available in a standard, Mega wide or Silage Special configuration.

AKfish
 
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You can get the "Mega wide" pickup on a JD baler too - without the Silage Special. The JD 458 is a 4x5 baler and is available in a standard, Mega wide or Silage Special configuration.

AKfish

a newholland br 7060 can have everything you stayed also. But i would be looking for a Newholland baler since he lives so close to where they are built and imo they are the best baler made
 
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Hi I have been around round balers for approx. 35 yrs give or take a few, I have owned Vermeer, and John Deere . Ive had custom bales from New Holland , and I must say there is quite a difference in bale tightness and shape etc..... I currently own a JD 457 with electronic monitering , which I myself like. If I were going to buy again it would be either Vermeer , or John Deere, they are rated very high and I mite add Vermeer was first to have the big round balers. xperience says it all! just my 0.02 cts you wont go wrong with either 1 of these brands. P.S. you get what you pay for!
 
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I have it narrowed to Deere or NH. I need to strike a balance between getting the features that make them easy to use, but not overpay to the point that I cant produce enough profit to pay them off.
 
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We use the jd 567 & 568 w net wrap. The 567 has 16500 bales through it and just normal wear and tear. No major repair. The 568 is less than a year old and has 2500+ this year no repairs.
 
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I assume wide pickup is just what it says-wider swath of hay picked up compared to a standard model?
What are the star wheels set out at angles on the side of the baler for? Do they throw stray hay back in front of the pickup?

What size should I concentrate on? 4x5?

Yep.

Yep.

Yep. 4x5 rolls will stack well in the barn. They will also sit side-by-side on an 8' trailer without hanging over. MOST farm tractors will handle them, at least on the rear. If you go bigger, you will have to have larger tractors and your customers will have to have larger tractors also.
 
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On the sileage special: Does this have a negative effect on a round bale if it isn't a sileage bale? In other words, A s/s is fine for ordinary hay?
From what I read it's just a beefed-up baler that can bale "junk", too.
 
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On the sileage special: Does this have a negative effect on a round bale if it isn't a sileage bale? In other words, A s/s is fine for ordinary hay?
From what I read it's just a beefed-up baler that can bale "junk", too.

Neighbour has an NH 644 Sileage special, does not bale sileage with it. Says it is heavier built, bearings, and a wider pick up auger too.

Another thing I did not know was that the NH balers are the old Allis Chalmers design, NH bought the patents when AC liquidated.
 

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