Run In Shed Construction

[JeremyL]

Being inspired and educated by the various projects here on TBN, I want to share our latest and greatest construction project. We are building a 12 X 24 run in shed. Depending on who you ask, this will be either for my wife's TN Walking horses, or one side for the Hay Burners and one side for me to park my Kubota MX5000. (I made sure to make the entrance tall enough for the ROPS.

Like most things we (amateurs) attempt, it is a learning project all the way. Once we get finished, then we know how to do it. This, too, of course. That is why the collective wisdom and practical know-how of TBNetters is so valuable. This is also my first attempt and post photos on TBN. I hope to show the progress of this project up to the much anticipated final project. Already we have 12 of the 15 rafters in place. Since it has been wet here in Kentucky we didn't want to take the truck out in the field, so we two middle-agers carried the 2 X 8 X 16 rafters from the shop to the top of the hill one-by-one. By the end of that day, we were too tired to take a picture of the progress. That will come soon. I know that what you see here is not inovative or perfect, but I'm proud. But not too proud to want to here suggestions and comments.

 

[deereguy]

Looks great, good luck with weather forecast they are predicting.

 

[Z-Michigan]

Looks like a great start. The horses will love it, hopefully your wife will love you for it. I wouldn't place any bet on you parking the tractor in there. First, you won't get the option. Second, even if you did, the horses will leave many, umm, leavings in the shed and you won't want to park there. Enjoy!

 

[bones1]

Good looking work.I think Z-MICHIGAN is right.You can start planning YOUR tractor shed now.

 

[JeremyL]

Today we put up the last 3 rafters and then 11 of the 14 sheets of OSB, a lot more work than we thought we would be able to do due to a 50% forecast of rain. Oh, the aching muscles.

One of the future tenants came to inspect the progress and was so impressed, had a nap.

 

[Thomas]

Keep the pics coming Jeremy.
Don't worry about changing your mind once the shell put up...make the shed easy also comfortable in years to come.

 

[EddieWalker]

Looks like a fun project!

There are a few things that I noticed that you should address from the last picture you posted.

The first, and this is gonna be important. Your header that you are resting your rafters on is way undersized. It will sag on you in a very short amount of time and may even break in a few years. For a 12 foot span like you have, you need at the very minimum a 2x12 on edge, or a pair of 2x10's would be much better. If it was mine, I'd use two 2x10's with half inch plywood glued between them.

Did you block your rafters? If your rafters are not blocked, then they will twist and turn on you over the years. Blocking is short pieces of wood that is nailed between the long ones. It's used in framing walls and decks to make them stronger and stabalize larger lumber.

How far apart are your purlins on your walls? If you are putting metal siding on, 4ft is good. If you are putting any sort of sheething, like OSB or Plyood, then 2ft is the maximum distance you want for this. Otherwise it will bow out on you and fall apart rather quickly.

One more thing to consider is to extend your roof line out past the opening to create a peak with a short overhang over your entrance. This is fairly simple to do by framing out a truss of your posts and existing rafters. The advantage will be to create more roofline to protect your entrance and what's inside there.

Eddie

 

[hankus]

One more thing to consider is to extend your roof line out past the opening to create a peak with a short overhang over your entrance. This is fairly simple to do by framing out a truss of your posts and existing rafters. The advantage will be to create more roofline to protect your entrance and what's inside there.

Eddie

This might be hard to do unless he changes his entrance location... don't you think?

 

[JeremyL]

Thanks, Eddie. The "header" in construction picture 4 is not the header it is just a board tacked up on the posts to keep them straight while planting them. I used two 2x10s nailed together standing on edge. The glue and plywood is a good idea that I will use next time. The entrance to the run in shed is the side with the 8' roof line. This is so that, one day this shed can be the side of a barn. I know that that will drain all the rain down towards the opening, but we will put up a gutter and drainage is great on the top of the hill. And, yes, the rafters extend beyond the headers, both front and back. I have blocking and will add more, wanted to get the roof OSB on as quickly as possible.

Your avatar has always been a real eye-catcher.

- Jeremy

 

[GT2]

Unless I'm mistaken the header Eddie is talking about is the 4X4 at the high side of this pic, you can see it bowing now. (pic 5)
Easy fix, just get some hangers and force a 2x12 up under it ( horizontal) to straighten it out.
Lookin good

 

[JeremyL]

OK, today I put the finishing touchs on the framing, and all the OSB is on top. I added some more blocking between rafters and straightened out and reinforced the top beam.

I had planned to put a variety of old, mixed colored shingles on the roof. Now I am having second thoughts, especially since I found that I only had about four packs of shingles and would have to buy a bunch more to get to the 448 SqFt. that is the roof. So I put off putting on drip edge and tar paper.

Suggestions for roofing material? My considerations:
-This shed is on the top of a hill and will get plenty of wind.
- It is only my wife and me handling the materials.
- I don't have tools for cutting large pieces of metal.
- I only want to do this once.

Suggestions for siding two and a half sides? I can add more purlins if needed. My considerations:
- The horses should not want to eat or break it.
- I have lots of tools for working with wood.
- It would be nice if it looks good.

Thanks for looking, and thanks for suggestions.

It is summer-like hot in Kentucky today.

 

[firefighter9208]

I would use 29ga metal on the roof and for siding. As for cutting the roofing and siding. Check around with metal siding/roofing dealers (not Home Depot or Lowes). The place I buy my roofing/siding from will order it for me in custom lengths. It's priced by the foot but I really only pay by the inch.

For instance, I made an order this morning and the price was $1.83 a running foot (for colors) for 3' wide 29ga. metal. I ordered 8' panels that were $14.56 each. I ordered 7'2" panels that were $13.05 each. I didn't have to order an 8 footer and then cut off 10 inches. They will order in foot/inch increments. I actually save a lot of money on siding doing it this way and it saves a lot of cutting.

Chris

 

[EddieWalker]

Have you researched what happens when you put metal roofing on sheeting? From what I've been told, and I don't know this for a fact, but metal on sheeting creates moisture pockets that lead to premature failure of the roof. You will have to put wood purlins, or strips across the OSB before you attach a metal roof to it.

Felt paper and shingles are used on OSB sheeting, but other materials need to have some degree of air cirulation. If not, then it needs to be totally sealed on the bottom. Spray on insulation works for this, but not much else will have the same results.

What are you plans for the roof on the rest of the building?

Eddie

 

[mudcat]

Have you researched what happens when you put metal roofing on sheeting? From what I've been told, and I don't know this for a fact, but metal on sheeting creates moisture pockets that lead to premature failure of the roof. You will have to put wood purlins, or strips across the OSB before you attach a metal roof to it.

Eddie

While in the process of obtaining a permit for my pole barn, I came across a variety of metal roofing. Several different brands and styles. But they all came with a set of installation instructions. Some required felt covered plywood or OSB as an underlayment. Some required felt coverd pw or OSB with purlins on top. Some required purlins only. Others had different instructions for a variety of applications for the same product. Pick a product that is designed for your application and follow the manufactures instructions and you will be fine.

 

[firefighter9208]

Eddie,

I always use perlins, not osb, but am aware of the insulation requirements. For a building that is going to be used with animals (especially horses) I recommend insulating the roof as there will be consendation when the horses are in the building.

When 20-25 goats get into my 16x30 (small barn) water will drip off the perlins. I should have insulated it, but didn't. Oh well.

Chris

 

[Coyote]

I have to bring up what Eddie said before...did you replace the header on the tall side with 2x10's? Looks real skinny up there, there's going to be quite a load up there, and don't you guys get snow too? Heavy!!

 

[N80]

I put metal on top of OSB for my cabin. Covered the OSB with felt first. Met building code. Over two years old and no problems yet. No evidence of moisture when looking up at the OSB from the attic.

The metal I used has grooves through which air can circulate.

 

[JeremyL]

Thanks Coyote, yes, I did add to the header after jacking up the sag in the roof line. It is straight and sturdy now. We get maybe a few inches of snow a couple of times a year on average. For the once in a blue moon times that we get a lot of snow, I would think that most of it would blow off the roof since the shed is on the top of the hill with open pasture all around.

Firefighter, I am not worried about condensation because the shed will be open on the front and I have left most of the bays between the rafters open so that warm air can exit through the high side. We want more coolness than coziness.

To make it cooler, I have decided to use white shingles for the roof. Part of the decision is because I had a couple of bundles of white shingles (and I am ~frugal~), and partly because I can handle shingling by myself better than large pieces of metal. (I am anticipating that I would be getting any help from my wife up on the roof. We'll see.) I put on the first couple of coarses this evening before dark because it is beautiful weather here in the Bluegrass State.

If the weather cooperates, and I don't fall and break my neck, I should be able to gut the roof finished this weekend, take some updated pictures, and then start thinking more about the siding. The last couple of weekends, in addition to shed building, we did some controlled burns of native warm season grasses fields. Here are some pictures from that. They are more dramatic than pictures of a half finished shed. Enjoy.

- Jeremy

 

[firefighter9208]

JeremyL,

Just trying to be helpful.

Chris

 

[WayneB]

The last couple of weekends, in addition to shed building, we did some controlled burns of native warm season grasses fields. Here are some pictures from that. They are more dramatic than pictures of a half finished shed. Enjoy.

- Jeremy

Wow that is some fire! Up here we cannot do any control burning. How many acres are you burning.